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T.E.A.R.S. Crisis Update

Animal rescue group litigants agree to leave donations alone

By Erin Stock — The Birmingham News
January 15, 2010, 6:02PM

Both sides in a legal battle involving the animal rescue agency TEARS met today in court and agreed not to touch any donated funds for now.

It was the first time the parties came together before a judge over a lawsuit alleging that the founder of The Emergency Animal Rescue Service, Terra Cotromano, may have misappropriated funds. The lawsuit, filed last month by individuals claiming to be the rightful TEARS board members, also alleges Cotromano neglected animals in TEARS’ care as the nonprofit’s executive director.

The allegations prompted the removal of more than 200 animals from the TEARS facility in Mulga. The animals were removed and medically treated beginning Dec. 31, after a judge granted a temporary restraining order against Cotromano.

Cotromano has denied the allegations. Her attorney maintained today that the individuals who brought the suit have been voted off the board by TEARS members and had no authority to fire Cotromano as executive director. That contested issue likely will be debated in the course of this case.

“We feel like these two individuals professing to be TEARS are not really TEARS,” attorney Lawden Yates Jr. said.

Also today, Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Helen Shores Lee decided the case would remain in the Birmingham court division. Cotromano’s attorneys argued today — before a crowd of supporters on both sides of the issue — that the proper venue was the Bessemer division.

Meanwhile, the animal cruelty investigator with the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office said he is compiling information from his investigation into an animal neglect complaint against Cotromano. The deputy, Dwight Sloan, said he plans to present the findings to the district attorney, who could decide to bring criminal charges.

The animals removed from the TEARS facility are being held at the Greater Birmingham Humane Society, Birmingham-Jefferson Animal Control and at various veterinarian offices. Some are available for adoption, and a large adoption drive is in the works, said Lee Anne Bennett, one of the individuals behind the lawsuit.

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50+ TEARS animals at BJAC / 30+ are available now for adoption

Setting aside the “politics” surrounding TEARS, the reality is breathtaking.  The promise made to those involved that “NO TEARS ANIMALS WILL BE EUTHANIZED” has created a tickle-down effect.
Between the 50 TEARS animals and those being held for animal cruelty cases at BJAC, there’s little room left  for adoptable pets.  Dozens and dozens of animals are being euthanized because they need room for the TEARS animals & they must hold those involved in cruelty investigations.
It’s a reality and while our local media continues to ask for funding for GBHS and pleading for the public to adopt the animals held at that facility,  those at BJAC, it seems, are forgotten.
DO NOT send money to BJAC. But if you are you’re in a position to foster or adopt an animal currently housed at BJAC, NOW is the time.   Please spread the word !
6227 5th Avenue North
Birmingham, AL 35212-1559
(205) 591-6522

Editorial Note
For questions about this email you may contact:
Kay Till – kptill@yahoo.com
Phil Doster – pdoster@bjcacs.com
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Statements attributed to Debbie Cousins

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TEARS animals likely to remain at other agencies, Jefferson County judge says
By Erin Stock — The Birmingham News
January 25, 2010, 12:53PM

A Jefferson County judge today said animals seized from TEARS by the county sheriff’s office should remain at the agencies where they are being held and not returned to the animal rescue agency’s site in Mulga.

District Judge Eric Fancher in Bessemer said he did not see a problem leaving the animals where they are. They are being prepared for adoption, which is a mission of TEARS.

“I just want the animals to be properly cared for,” he said.

The Jefferson County Sheriff’s animal cruelty investigator seized 22 dogs and six cats during an animal cruelty investigation that began last month. The deputy, Dwight Sloan, recommended to the judge that the animals stay at the Greater Birmingham Humane Society and Birmingham-Jefferson County Animal Control.

Sloan, however, did not detail in open court any of his findings from an investigation. He has said he is preparing the information for the district attorney, who could decide to pursue criminal charges.

Today’s hearing was to determine if Terra Cotromano, the founder of TEARS, was fit to care for the animals that were seized. The group’s board of directors last month fired Cotromano as executive director and filed a civil suit alleging she mistreated animals and mishandled funds. Cotromano has denied the allegations and maintains that the board members were replaced through a membership vote.

Wanda Williamson, who identified herself as the president of the new TEARS board, said she is worried that the animals are not receiving the level of care they would at the TEARS site.

“They came from a facility where they could run,” she said.

But John Saxon, an attorney representing the board members who sued Cotromano, told the judge that the conditions the cats were living in caused them to develop upper respiratory infections.

Fancher scheduled another hearing in a week to give Cotromano’s side time to develop a list of owners, if any, of the animals seized.

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141 Comments

  1. Victoria Nichols / Feb 8 2010 11:02 PM

    This blog-site was created as an outreach tool for Higher Ground-Animal Advocacy. The goal of the site is to raise awareness and understanding of a broad range of animals, and to bring insight to local animal issues. This blog inherently calls for all of us to take a second look at our relationship with animals.

    This particular blog-thread addresses the situation with T.E.A.R.S. It is meant to be informative and investigative.

    So much negative feedback has been received from readers about the comments on this thread in recent weeks, that it is time for a change.

    It is the belief of the blog owner that most reader comments will enhance the experience for all readers, by offering insights that may be otherwise overlooked. Positive as well as negative comments will be considered.

    Newspapers and magazines don’t publish every letter that is sent to them, nor do radio talk-shows allow ever caller on the air. Only comments that add value to the blog will be seen publicly.

    It’s a new day. Your comments, within the ‘commenter’s guidelines’, are welcomed.

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    • pita7763 / Feb 9 2010 11:28 AM

      No comment!!!

  2. Victoria Nichols / Feb 7 2010 10:38 AM

    SECOND ADOPT-A-THON FOR TEARS ANIMALS IS A SUCCESS!

    On Saturday, February 6, 2010, the second adopt-a-thon for TEARS animals was held at the Greater Birmingham Humane Society.

    Several dogs and two cats had pre-adoption applications filed for them.

    Adoptions are not completed in one day because vet references, and other checks, must be acquired before the adption is finalized.

    It was reported to me that wonderful people came forward to open their hearts and homes to the TEARS animals.

  3. Victoria Nichols / Feb 6 2010 7:29 PM

    Ms. Honeycutt –

    The allegations may be found in the Complaint located here: https://kindredspiritus.wordpress.com/t-e-a-r-s-crisis/the-temporary-restraining-order/.

    For additional questions, you may contact Allison Black Cornelius [ blackboard@charter.net ], the board’s governance consultant. She will be happy to answer your questions.

    Regards,
    Victoria ~

  4. Betsy Honeycutt / Feb 6 2010 6:32 PM

    Can anyone explain the board or takeover accusations? And I for one would like to know what was the health condition of the animals that were taken. I know you don’t know about the ones removed by sheriff’s deputies. I would like to know about the others. BB

    • Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 7 2010 2:19 PM

      The animals that were transferred from TEARS to vet clinics and foster homes have all been tested for various health issues including heartworms and intestinal parasites. Some tests revealed issues that required additional tests. The board decided to release all the animal’s health assessment results (excepting the animals removed by law enforcement) at one time and will do so to the media (including blogs etc…) in the next week.

      Thank you.
      Allison Black Cornelius

    • Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 7 2010 4:35 PM

      Betsy
      We can answer about the governance issues (board). But most of it we cannot share until court. We have more than 50 people who were either former board members or volunteers and who are prepared to testify to governance issues.

      Meanwhile, the current board members face extremely serious state, IRS, and postmaster inquiries. The former Director and the former Treasurer of the organization were notified by certified mail of several serious infractions throughout 2009. These have nothing to do with the animals or which board is which. If the “new” board prevails in court, they will assume the fines and penalties of the organization.

      With that said, this organization is hardly attractive as a take-over. Most volunteer board members would have quit by now. Finally, any qualified governance professional in the country would likely tell the “new” people claiming to be the board to run. This organization and its leaders whoever they end up being, have a very rough road ahead.

      Neither BJC nor GBHS had anything whatsoever to do with what happened at Tears.

      Thank you.
      Allison Black Cornelius
      Blackboard Consulting

  5. Mary Jemison / Feb 6 2010 2:00 PM

    Ms. Nichols – Is there any other place you can go to get information or specific questions answered about what happened in this situation?I am the president of a volunteer group that helps animals and we have a meeting coming up. Before that I would like to ask some very specific questions but do not want to wade through the unrelated comments and chat. Thanks.

  6. Victoria Nichols / Feb 5 2010 10:07 AM

    Victoria Nichols :

    UPDATE

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: A REMINDER

    The second adopt-a-thon for TEARS animals will be at GBHS, this Saturday, February 6, 2010; from 10:00 AM until 4:00 PM. [instead of 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM]

    This event will include some of the animals previously held as part of the cruelty investigation.

    Please share this information with friends, family, and co-workers. These cats & dogs are in need of their forever homes! Let’s help them get there :)

  7. Victoria Nichols / Feb 5 2010 12:42 AM

    The announcement of the creation of the Missing Link Rescue has brought me great sadness.

    For with this action comes great disregard of the heroic actions by our community to renew the promise of protection to the TEARS animals. And with this action comes, for some, a new focus on animals yet to be ‘rescued;’ seemingly forgetting those they previously promised to protect.

    The myth of TEARS lives-on in the creation of Missing Link Rescue.

    There was a hope for our community. A hope that through the nightmare of recent weeks would come new expectations of regard and care for animals and each other.

    That no longer would we accept false myths causing real pain and suffering to animals. That we would create a community that reflected the best in us and assured our promise of protection to the animals.

    Where is the foundation of assured protection within this new organization?

    According to the Jefferson County Probate Court clerk and the Secretary of State’s Business Services division, this organization is not registered as a non-profit.

    Does this organization have insurance to protect volunteers, those seeking to adopt, or simply visitors? Is there any oversight of the public donations, immediately being requested?

    Is there appropriate funding in place to assure protection to in-coming animals?

    Will we experience the nightmare a second time?

    Sometimes I am painfully aware that it is not only the animals that are voiceless.

    Our community is filled with compassionate, responsible, and creative animal advocates. Where is your unbridled insistance for improvements? Where is your moral outrage at what has happened?

    If the nightmare comes again, we need only to look in the mirror to know who is responsible.

    [Note: I acknowledge with great appreciation those who have spoken-out here; expressing your desire for compassion, responsibility, truth and justice.]

    • ssal / Feb 5 2010 5:04 AM

      Ms. Nichols:

      WOW! Thank you for showing us a little more about yourself!!

      I request that all who have contributed to this blog consider making a statement about the extent to which you are in agreement with Ms. Nichols above statements. (Ms. Cornelius? “Neutral” volunteers? Mr. Johnson? the Gaskins? puppy love? anybody else? I do intend to say something — later.)

      • Victoria Nichols / Feb 5 2010 9:45 AM

        Stan-

        I find your request juvenile.

      • ssal / Feb 5 2010 2:47 PM

        Ms. Nichols:

        Once again, I’m CRUSHED!

        (not)

    • ssal / Feb 5 2010 4:09 PM

      Ms. Nichols:

      Somehow what you wrote about the new rescue group makes me envision a couple of political-type cartoons. (I can’t draw well enough to actually produce them).

      In the first, there is an animal, say, a dog or a cat, lying down somewhere, obviously suffering greatly. A human comes up to it to help. Then, the animal somehow manages to raise its head a little bit, look at the human, and say,”Are you with a registered non-profit organization?”

      The second cartoon is exactly like the first, except the caption is, “Have you been approved of by Victoria Nichols?”

  8. ssal / Feb 4 2010 3:56 PM

    The Gaskins, “Neutral” volunteers, Ms. Nichols, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Cornelius, Puppy Love, EVERYBODY else:

    Request you consider looking into Ms. Cousins new rescue organization and seeing if there’s any way you might want and be able to help out.

    • Victoria Nichols / Feb 4 2010 8:12 PM

      UPDATE

      YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: A REMINDER

      The second adopt-a-thon for TEARS animals will be at GBHS, this Saturday, February 6, 2010; from 10:00 AM until 4:00 PM. [instead of 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM]

      This event will include some of the animals previously held as part of the cruelty investigation.

      Please share this information with friends, family, and co-workers. These cats & dogs are in need of their forever homes! Let’s help them get there :)

  9. ssal / Feb 4 2010 3:47 PM

    Many thanks to Debbie Cousins:

    http://www.missinglinkrescue.org/

  10. Victoria Nichols / Feb 4 2010 1:15 PM

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: A REMINDER

    The second adopt-a-thon for TEARS animals will be at GBHS, this Saturday, February 6, 2010; from 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM.

    This event will include some of the animals previously held as part of the cruelty investigation.

    Please share this information with friends, family, and co-workers. These cats & dogs are in need of their forever homes! Let’s help them get there :)

  11. murbay / Feb 4 2010 11:43 AM

    Gaskin,
    Furthermore just because people do not see things the way you interpret does not mean that they are fools, nut cases and whatever lovely adjetives you wish to use.

  12. murbay / Feb 4 2010 11:39 AM

    Lovely post.The name calling is uncalled for and you should have kept that private. If Terra did so many horrendous things ie not treating the cats, having severely injured animals on the property, and stealing around $70 000 I would think that charges would and should follow. If there are no charges filed it will be my opinion that this was just a ploy to take Tears away from Terra. I don’t particularly care what the initials are behind someone’s name and that does not mean that they will not over utilize their power and money to squash someone who might be in their way. There has been bad blood between the GBHS for years. This is not news. They have gone to great extends in the past to shut Terra down for years.

  13. The Gaskins / Feb 4 2010 10:59 AM

    The more you people write on this website the more you show the public how completely ignorant you are. What would make any of you think that the Humane Society or veterinarians have any decision making power on whether a District Attorney and Sheriff decide to file criminal charges? Do you guys understand who you are talking about at those clinics or in this case? You cannot believe that four veterinarians would risk their licenses and life work to shut down one rescue. Do you know anything about Barbara, Libby or Cindy or Victoria or Alison Cornelius or any of the other people you are attacking? Do you know almost all of them have long histories ready to read about online of protecting, treating, and defending animals you bloody fools? What you just think they suddenly swapped camps? Have you even just tried Googling them? They sure look like they are doing a good job of Googling you? What would any of this have to do with GBHS? Stan, have you looked back at your comments and taken any stock of what all you have written? You have stooped to a level not even I thought you were capable of. You have insinuated things about the character of every person involved in this case and even attacked Victoria and regular citizens who write on this blog. People you know and have worked with. You sound nuts because you never give one specific example of what in the hell you are talking about. You look like some crazy conspiracy schizo. You even attack one of your own peers! You have so damaged our work in this community that I don’t know what to say. I don’t know who you are anymore. You have been so one-sided and have held up such a double standard that even if you are right you have managed to make their attorneys and their side look perfect! They look like bloody angels. They look like they care more about animals than any of us do. Boy, when you make Bradley Arant look like the champions of hurting and abused animals and the heroic savior who rises up against the oppressive people and systems that might mistreat them, well then boy you have really done something then. You are handling this brilliantly. That is a mighty hard feat to accomplish. The other side has so whipped your butts in how they have handled this it is pathetic. Don’t you see? Look up at these comments. Us: Unanswered question and issue after unanswered question and issue. Them: With the exception of the puppy ranter they offer patiently and nicely written answers to every thing that is brought up over and over again. They have not avoided one question you have thrown at them. It is unbelievable. Who is the idiot? Video for defense? Do you believe the sheriff does not have a copy already? Do you realize they legally HAVE to give the defense a copy? Common sense Stan, do you think they give a crap about a video shot in NOVEMBER comnpared to video they shot at TEARS while they were there investigating? Stan, did something hit you in the head out there at the Air Force base in New Mexico and make you start seeing conspiracy theories everywhere? Did they inject you with something? Do you have any idea how the comments you have posted make you look to regular people? This PITA person with the texting acronym; how old are you, 14? You write one of the longest comments and then get mad and say you are overwhelmed when somebody answers you long. God you people look two faced stupid. You all embarass good animal rights advocates but you most of all embarass yourselves and even Terra should be embarassed. I was at a meeting in Southside last night and do you people know what the topic of the night was? Not how terrible these people are for “RAIDING” TEARS and it was a raid Victoria. Not how to save the animals that are not being helped right now but how stupid Stan and everyone who cares about this looks! And Kay, Leigh, by disappearing when you were asked a question by plenty of people who wanted to help you once you raised the issue, you don’t help us either. Kay next time we are at a meeting together you will hear about that from many of us. All we did right there was make BJC look good. We Cannot hold the systems, policies, and people we are trying to stop to one standard and then refuse to answer ANY question when we are asked and I will not be a part of attacking a messenger rather than providing a clear strong argument for my beliefs and for my statements. After what you wrote here for days about people you don’t agreee with and then you refuse to deal with something as bad as that post by Bob. Nobody knew this about you. Well shame on you Stan not for what you did but for how you are handling it. The situation at TEARS is serious. I know I should not name call but I am going to say what a lot of people reading this site are dying to say. There are about five of you on here that just look nuts and I am real sorry to say it is not Ms. cornelius and whoever the Hell hired her. If I sound angry I apologize but somebody has to say something for our side that makes sense. My wife and I both have watched and read and not said a word bu the thing with Stan was the straw that broke the camel’s back. We are just sick of this. Victoria, my wife and I are especially sorry for what has been said about you and we think you have got to be in shock. You have done so much and you have handled yourself very well here. Thank you for letting us get this off our shoulders and see you next week.

    • ssal / Feb 4 2010 3:18 PM

      Gaskin,

      Gee, I’m crushed!

      (not)

  14. ssal / Feb 4 2010 12:42 AM

    pita7763:

    I personally have no opinion on that question, but I have talked with two people who spontaneously, with absolutely no prompting from me, speculated that GBHS may not be in an unquestionably neutral, objective position in this TEARS matter. And to the best of my knowledge, neither of those two people have ever met or talked with each other. I have little doubt that question will come up again, and may cause difficulty for any animal cruelty prosecution.

    The thing that makes me think there might be no cruelty charges filed is the video that was released by the alleged TEARS board of directors but was later removed from YouTube. It supposedly showed the “horrible conditions” for the cats at TEARS. But when I saw it, it seemed to me that the video could in fact be a very powerful weapon for the defense.

    • murbay / Feb 4 2010 6:28 AM

      LOL

  15. Victoria Nichols / Feb 4 2010 12:29 AM

    Just for fun…..there were 232 views of the blog on Wednesday. Wow!

  16. pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 10:21 PM

    If this has been posted before, then please forgive me, but I must have missed it.

    Per the TEARS press release of January 2, 2010, “Veterinarians Barbara Monoghan, Cindy Williams, Mark Pelham, and Libby Todd of Liberty and Kelly Animal Hospitals are providing the health assessments and medical recommendations to Jefferson County Sheriff’s deputies on site at TEARS.”

    Here is what I find interesting:

    Dr. Mark Pelham and Dr. Barbara Monaghan work at Kelley Animal Hospital.

    Dr. Barbara Monaghan also works at Liberty Animal Hospital, along with Dr. Cindy Williams and Dr. Libby Todd.

    On the Kelley Animal Hospital website Dr. Pelham states that he is on the Greater Birmingham Humane Society’s Board of Directors. And according to the Greater Birmingham Humane Society’s Fall of 2007 and Summer of 2008 newsletters, Dr. Cindy Williams was also on the GBHS Board of Directors.

    Is it just me or does anyone else believe that considering the ties these vets have/had to the Greater Birmingham Humane Society that there might have been some bias that might have come into play during all this.

  17. Marianne Phillips / Feb 3 2010 10:07 PM

    ssal,
    I did want to know that but someone already answered it here so I checked what they wrote by callingl both shelters and they both said no. I talked to Mr. Doster at the city shelter and to Ms. Kristi at the humane society. Both of these people said they never got a call from the lady who wrote the first comment about the animals being put to sleep because of the tears animals and they dont know where she got that from. If you know something else please do let us all know here.

    • ssal / Feb 4 2010 2:38 AM

      Ms. Phillips —

      Thanks for passing that along.

    • ssal / Feb 5 2010 5:34 AM

      Ms. Phillips:

      I have also begun to look deeper into the matter, taking a different line of approach. So far, what I have come across is not in agreement with what was said to you. Please understand that I am not claiming you are wrong — there is more I need to check into.

  18. Marianne Phillips / Feb 3 2010 10:00 PM

    ssal,
    I am not a member of the organizatiosn that have been talked about at least not that I know about. I have helped alot of rescue groups around Birmingham by sending emails to people I know or by giving money when they needed it so that may be what you mean. I met the tears lady one time. She did alot of good but she ought to say something. The people trying to help her are not doing a good job answering questions and it just looks bad but I am staying open. Especially when they use swearing or act mean which shows no class at all. I did look at the petition and I did read the comments. Alot of the people on that petition are rescue people and some are people that I recognize names from emails so I know who they are becuase I have been asked to help some of them these past few years. You are 100% right that you dont have to be a christian to be forgiven He loves everyone no matter what they believe. I did not mean to hurt your’s or anyone’s feelings by saying that.

  19. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 9:57 PM

    Allison Black Cornelius,
    Here was the entire email sent by Sandy Ballard to all volunteers that were on the Yahoo TEARStalk site.

    I have sent the below msg to http://www.felinesinc.org/?q=node/13 FELINES INC.

    A group in Chicago IL. You are welcome to use the same Please keep everyone updated as to your request..
    We don’t want to send the request to the same group. I chose this one carefully- NO CRATES- VERY SIMILAR TO TEARS. I feel we may have better luck with cat only rescues.

    Any ideas on how we can attack this and not be going after the same groups?

    Here is a link to tons of cat rescues throughout the US. I have not been able to go through them to see if any would be what we are looking for.
    http://www.cats-central.com/cat_clubs.htm#Rescue%20Organizations

    Saving just one pet won’t change the world
    . . . but, surely, the world will change for that one pet .
    Sandy
    TEARS
    The Emergency Animal Rescue Service
    http://www.tearstown.com/index.php
    VOTE FOR TEARS
    ANIMAL RESCUE SITE
    http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com

    TEARS IS ON AL.COM
    Read and comment on the blog
    http://blog.al.com/tears/

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: Sandy Ballard
    To: abby@felinesinc.org
    Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:11:47 PM
    Subject: PLEA FOR HELP FOR OUR CATS

    PLEA FOR HELP FOR OUR CATS

    We are reaching out to any no kill cat to seek advice and or help. We also are a no-kill facility. We actually go out to the animals that need help-critically injured and abused. We rescue, vet, rehabilitate and re-home. We do this for all animals. Our facility is located in Birmingham, Alabama. Our cats stay in an environment much like yours. Cage free, we have a double wide mobile home that our cats have to call home.
    On your website you state that you have a special area for FIV cats.
    At our facility, upon arrival are isolated for a minimum of 2 weeks before being integrated with our population. During this time all vaccines, de-wormers and normal testing are administered.
    Have you ever had an exposure to FIP? Well, we had not in our 11 years of rescuing cats. We had around 70 cats in our cat home. A few cats started getting thin and sick and some died. At first we thought just old age because the first couple was older cats. Then within a week a couple younger cats starting thinning and got sickly- They were immediately taken to our vet, who kept them for a week, testing and administering fluids and meds. They died. Then we found out they had FIP. That was 4 dead. The advice we have received from 95% of all vets we have sought help from is to de-populate (euthanize) the entire home. All have been exposed and no other cats can be brought into the facility. That means our rescue efforts have ceased. An idea situation would be for us to be able to build another facility for the new rescues but this is completely out of the question financially. We also have sought advice from a local veterinary university “AUBURN UNIVERSITY” who advises us to do the de-populate thing.
    We are really struggling to make that decision. What would you do? We are reaching out to see if there are any other organizations that may be willing to take some of the healthy cats. I understand that all cats will not die from this and many will live normal lives but they also will always be carriers. So they need to be isolated from other cats. We have to do something soon. We cannot continue to ignore viable cats that need our help. We are open to advice and solutions. Please reply and THANK YOU for your time

    Saving just one pet won’t change the world
    . . . but, surely, the world will change for that one pet .
    Sandy
    TEARS
    The Emergency Animal Rescue Service
    http://www.tearstown.com/index.php
    VOTE FOR TEARS
    ANIMAL RESCUE SITE
    http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com

  20. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 9:45 PM

    Post #101 is for Allison Black Cornelius. Sorry, I forgot to add that.

  21. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 9:44 PM

    The information was posted on Yahoo TEARStalk site. It was sent to my inbox for my email account since I was on TEARStalk. Sandy Ballard sent out the email to the TEARStalk site. It is a copy of a letter she was sending to a feline rescue group. She wanted to show us what she had sent. That is how I and everyone else on TEARStalk got the exact same email. I saved mine in a folder. Thank goodness I did.

  22. ssal / Feb 3 2010 7:57 PM

    I do not claim to be Christian, and I definitely do not believe anyone is forgiven simply because he/she claims to be Christian.

    I can easily respond to Mr. Bob Johnson’s question, and had planned to tonight, but now I think I’ll wait a while. Let Ms. Nichols do a bunch or those long re-posts she clearly loves to do. And let the rest of you who seem to be quite like her continue to show who are, too.

    And, did I miss your answer to my earlier question to you, “Also, are you by any chance associated at all with any of the organizations involved in this matter?”

    Also, I request you recommend to all whom you are talking to about this matter that they read the comments made by many of the 79 (to date) signers of the petition “For Terra Cotromano and TEARS.”
    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/for-terra-cotromano-and-tears/signatures-page1.html

    • ssal / Feb 3 2010 8:05 PM

      The just above is intended to be a reply to Ms. Phillips’s February 3, 2010, 5:35 pm comment.

    • ssal / Feb 3 2010 9:59 PM

      Also, Ms. Phillips:

      Did I miss your answer to my other question to you,”If any animals at any facility to which TEARS animals were taken were in fact euthanized to make room for TEARS animals, do you WANT to know about such?”

  23. Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 3 2010 6:13 PM

    Puppy Love:

    Can you please let us know where the communication posted to abby@feline etc… comment #91 originated and how you came to have it? If there is some reason you cannot answer we certainly understand. If you have a confidentiality or privacy issue and need to answer the question off line you may do so at blackboard@charter.net

    Thank you in advance for your consideration of the request.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    Blackboard Consulting

  24. Marianne Phillips / Feb 3 2010 5:35 PM

    ssal
    The only thing confusing to me is what I have just read that someone said about you? Also, nobody ever did tell me where the lady that said alot of animals were being put down got the information. I had hoped to know this not to be sarcastic but becuase I really wanted to know where it came from. If it was true I have a group of people that would want to help.

    There are alot of people coming to this place for updates on Tears. I may not write something every day but I am right out here. I had not heard of higher Ground Animal Rights but when they told me it was the lady who tried to help thet the elephants and the Oak Mountian deer I remembered that and came here. I heard about it rom some animal rescue friends at my work. But I also was at a meeting in Homewood and the blog was talked about at that meeting. I think this is a great place to learn things! I now try to visit almost every day. There is very good stuff on here about alot of other things besides Tears. I am pretty sure that the people who run this blog track the number of hits and contacts they are getting. We do at our company webs page. If you are not then you should because I have had alot of people send me emails or tell me things from here so I think the number is probably pretty high up there and you may want to let people know that or that might be confidential. But I agree with the pita person that your past is your past and people come to know they make mistakes and if you are a Christian then you are forgiven. But my goodness ssal if that is your past it sure is a doozie and you may need to say it is not you or it iseither way.

  25. ssal / Feb 3 2010 3:44 PM

    What an incredibly confusing mess, just right here on this blog!!

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 5:40 PM

      Actually it might not be as much of an incredibly confusing mess as it appears. Wonder if it has ever happened that when someone got a little too close to the truth all the sudden those that are concerned start putting out a ridiculous amount of information. Most people are going to start reading all of that material and come away from it being more confused than ever. It’s called “information overload” and it can be a successful tactic to divert attention away from the true issue at hand if someone allows themselves to get caught up in it.

  26. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 1:37 PM

    As stated before, TERRA AND HER ATTORNEYS STATED IN COURT THAT TEARS IS A NO-KILL FACILITY. There is other written documentation that states the same thing. I don’t care what Facebook says. It was said in the Birmingham court AND in the Bessemer court. It is on record. Even no-kill shelters have to euthanize if an animal for example has cancer, has been given treatment, the treatment is not working, and the animal thus is in extreme pain. They are not going to let the animal suffer, so in those cases the animal is euthanized. However, they are still considered “no-kill”. Victoria Nichols posted the definition of a no-kill facility on her website. But,inside and outside of court, Terra and Sandy have advertised TEARS as a no-kill facility. If you were in court, then you would know that. Just because something is posted on a website stating one thing, does NOT mean that the person was not going around saying something different. Proof of that was in court. Further, Danyell Jackson and other volunteers were told by Terra that the facility was a no-kill facility. Also, Sandy Ballard sent out a copy of a letter on TEARStalk that she also had sent to a cat rescue group asking for advice on the cat situation. The first line stated, “We are a no-kill facility.” I will cut and paste it for you. That email has been presented already to the proper people with the case. Now you can determine whose credibility is ruined! Also notice the sentence, “We rescue, vet, rehabilitate and re-home. We do this for all animals.” That is not true either. She also stated the cats had FIP which there was no evidence of such. The only reason she even reached out to other groups is because in the board meeting, several volunteers fought to keep the cats alive. She had already begun euthanizing then anyway. This email was sent out directly after that board meeting.

  27. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 1:36 PM

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: Sandy Ballard
    To: abby@felinesinc.org
    Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:11:47 PM
    Subject: PLEA FOR HELP FOR OUR CATS

    PLEA FOR HELP FOR OUR CATS

    We are reaching out to any no kill cat to seek advice and or help. We also are a no-kill facility. We actually go out to the animals that need help-critically injured and abused. We rescue, vet, rehabilitate and re-home. We do this for all animals. Our facility is located in Birmingham, Alabama. Our cats stay in an environment much like yours. Cage free, we have a double wide mobile home that our cats have to call home.
    On your website you state that you have a special area for FIV cats.
    At our facility, upon arrival are isolated for a minimum of 2 weeks before being integrated with our population. During this time all vaccines, de-wormers and normal testing are administered. Have you ever had an exposure to FIP? Well, we had not in our 11 years of rescuing cats. We had around 70 cats in our cat home. A few cats started getting thin and sick and some died. At first we thought just old age because the first couple was older cats. Then within a week a couple younger cats starting thinning and got sickly- They were immediately taken to our vet, who kept them for a week, testing and administering fluids and meds. They died. Then we found out they had FIP. That was 4 dead. The advice we have received from 95% of all vets we have sought help from is to de-populate (euthanize) the entire home. All have been exposed and no other cats can be brought into the facility. That means our rescue efforts have ceased. An idea situation would be for us to be able to build another facility for the new rescues but this is completely out of the question financially. We also have sought advice from a local veterinary university “AUBURN UNIVERSITY” who advises us to do the de-populate thing.We are really struggling to make that decision. What would you do? We are reaching out to see if there are any other organizations that may be willing to take some of the healthy cats. I understand that all cats will not die from this and many will live normal lives but they also will always be carriers. So they need to be isolated from other cats. We have to do something soon. We cannot continue to ignore viable cats that need our help. We are open to advice and solutions. Please reply and THANK YOU for your time

  28. pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 1:31 PM

    ROTFLMAO!!! Like I rightly care!

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 1:50 PM

      Interesting that my post above was a reply to puppy love’s last post/comment regarding what the “public” feels about me. Yet somehow it end up beneath Ms. Cornelius’ comment/post. BTW puppy love, exactly who is “you all” that you referred to in your last comment/post because the last time I checked I was the only one here and I don’t have multiple personalities.

  29. Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 3 2010 1:23 PM

    PITA 7763:

    I was contacted this morning by the Board President of TEARS and asked to read several emails she and others had received in response to your comments. She asked me to prepare a collective response for the President and the Vice-President:

    We have reviewed more than 1,000 documents in the TEARS organization and have interviewed more than 100 individuals associated with this nonprofit organization going back to 2004. Having said this, hardly any of what you have written as fact aligns with what we have found on record or heard in hearings or TEARS’ meetings. We have no way of knowing whether you are misled or know the facts and are intentionally misleading others. Motivation aside, almost nothing you have written as fact is accurate.

    You appear to have two theories:

    1. TEARS never put itself out there as a No-Kill facility and this is evidenced by many sites on-line (for which you provide links) further, anyone who thought it was a No-Kill facility is/was an idiot:

    “If anyone donated money and/or volunteered their time there and didn’t know that TEARS was not “a no-kill facility” then they were an idiot for not reading what the organization’s policy was on the matter because it was impossible to miss.”

    “But it was a lie that you told in your second paragraph that causes me to respond to you first since that lie can so easily be shown for exactly that which it is…thus, making everything else you say suspect. You stated in your second paragraph, “TEARS has been stated by Terra, her attorneys, and her so-called new board to be a no-kill facility.” Really?!?”

    2. Some who disagree with the other “side” or “who all have the same beliefs (i.e. agenda)” and/or post here or anywhere else may be made up entirely or one person using many names (a theory already proposed by Stan Spangler).

    “Bob, I going to assume (oh, how I still hate that word) that this really is your first time to post here and not that you have posted here before and have just started a new identity so that it would look like there are just more and more people flocking to this site who all have the same beliefs (i.e., agenda).”

    Theory #1

    Like hundreds of other people including front-line volunteers, board members, former board members, donors, and staff – – Danyell Jackson was misled but she was not an idiot.

    We still do not know for sure who represents who on what you call the other “side” in court. We do not know if Ms. Cotromano has counsel or not. However, on three different occasions in three separate court hearings, two different members of counsel for the other “side” stated that TEARS does not euthanize animals. On Monday of this week, the statement was made again by counsel for the other “side” which was immediately corrected by John Saxon, counsel for the board. The Honorable Judge Fancher requested clarification and it was only then that the public heard from the other “side’s” counsel that yes, TEARS euthanizes animals. This took awhile and there was some stuttering and stammering but in fairness to your overall theory that TEARS euthanizes and makes it public. That did come out.

    On January 15th in front of Judge Helen Shores Lee as well as the media and general public present, counsel for the other “side” used the description No-Kill facility to describe TEARS. This point was made to argue that neither the GBHS nor BJC should have animals transferred from the TEARS facility nor should either BJC or GBHS be considered as a solution/place to take animals that might be dropped off at TEARS during this time since these two organizations will “kill them”. In all three instances, the statements were corrected by John Saxon (not your “side”) counsel for the board of TEARS. You may order a copy of the *court transcript (see final footnote). Like us, you would have to pay for any copies you wish to receive.

    Your statement that the organization posted on their website, as well as other sites, the fact that it euthanized animals is correct; however, the postings were inconsistent and unfortunately there are numerous documents including emails, postings, and other communications going back to 2004 in which employees as well as volunteers of the organization promoted the rescue as a No-Kill or Low-Kill facility. At a TEARS meeting on December 23rd at Cassady and Self Glass Company and at which we were present the term No-Kill was used by people on the other “side” and members of the “new board”.

    If you review many of the postings at this site as well as at AL.Com and others, your “side” regularly refers to TEARS as a No-Kill facility that treats the issue of euthanizing animals differently as compared to GBHS and BJC. Your “side” describes BJC and GBHS as organizations that routinely, regularly, and indiscriminately euthanize animals. We have not reviewed GBHS or BJC records and thus cannot say whether this is fact or not. After reviewing the documents found at TEARS, how animals were euthanized or medically treated is anyone’s guess but there is no evidence of a policy. Based on how some died, our clients feel euthanizing would have been a much better outcome.

    In summary, it appears to us that some of the staff of TEARS would write or say whatever needed to be said or written as a strategy to provoke fund development efforts or support. There was no policy relating to “no-kill” or “low-kill” that we could find in any official document (minutes, voted-in policy, filings, etc…) on the matter. In fact, there was hardly any proper documentation on anything. The lack of paperwork and accurate documentation and filings will probably be looked at either by some court or one of the federal and state agencies that have already contacted us. It will be up to them to determine “intent” and “fault” as well as consequences on this matter.

    Idiot puts the onus on the victim.

    The donors and volunteers who supported TEARS were not idiots, they were just misled.

    Theory #2:

    While “Bob Johnson” may be a somewhat humorous Posting Name in that it is common and often seen in hotel registers, the poster above is using his correct name and is well known to many leaders throughout our community. The fact that you do not use your real name, and we can certainly understand why you do not, does not mean his name is made up to generate high numbers of support for the other “side”.

    We can understand the fear that is evident in your posting #76. Most of the people that support the work that has happened at TEARS since December 23, 2009, do not blog, comment, and/or participate in these kinds of exchanges. However, the tone, the unfounded accusations, the double-standards, the intolerance, and the hate shown by the people who claim to support such an important cause (animal welfare and compassion) has inspired people who disagree with this style of debate to start replying.

    We expect the other “side’s” tone to be the reason that so many are inspired to come forward and tell their story which requires courage and leadership.

    We agree with you that Ms. Nichols has supported the dialogue as long as it is an open exchange.

    On behalf of the board, we thank Ms. Nichols for her fairness and allowing our “side” to participate.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    Blackboard Consulting

    *Additional note PITA7763: the transcript will not capture the sound heard by everyone in the courtroom when Mr. Saxon, in response to the No-Kill statement, proffered to the court that several witnesses were prepared to testify to the practices and “policies” of euthanasia at TEARS. We think it fair and not an exaggeration to classify the sounds as gasps. We could only assume these gasps to mean that the people who made them had no idea that any animal had ever been euthanized at TEARS. This assumption that was promptly validated when after the hearing, the people while still in the courtroom and hall, identified themselves as volunteers at TEARS and stated as much. Some of these same people wrote the now infamous “Neutral Volunteers” email.

    • ssal / Feb 3 2010 8:32 PM

      I’m confused. I thought that the composition of the board was in legal dispute. Could someone clarify?

      • pita7763 / Feb 4 2010 2:51 AM

        I thought I was the only one who knew about that here…or at least the only one who would actually admit it. It wasn’t really all that difficult to go out to the Alabama Secretary of State’s website and learn that information. Yes, even though the media and seemingly most everybody else keeps referring to Beverly Lepore as the President of TEARS and Lee Anne Bennett as the Vice President, the truth is that on December 3, 2009, Beverly and Lee Anne basically without discussing it with the TEARS membership or to my knowledge any other board member (real or imagined) went and filed an amendment to change the articles (or bylaws) of incorporation for TEARS pretty much behind Terra’s back. That amendment has been filed. It hasn’t been sign by a judge and I would think (HOPE!) that this will be hotly contested in a court of law.

  30. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 1:00 PM

    Pita7763 stated, “If anyone donated money and/or volunteered their time there and didn’t know that TEARS was not “a no-kill facility” then they were an idiot for not reading what the organization’s policy was on the matter because it was impossible to miss.” I am sure the public will be happy to know you all feel this way.

  31. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 12:46 PM

    I tried to post something else before my last post, but for some reason the website is not letting me. I emailed it to Victoria and asked her to post it for me. It is a copy of an email that went around on TEARStalk from Sandy Ballard clearly stating we are a no-kill facility. You would think that Sandy would know whether or not TEARS was a no-kill facility since she had been there so long and was Treasurer and Secretary of the organization as opposed to newer volunteers such as Danyell Jackson. If Sandy thought the place was no-kill, then how could you expect any of the newer volunteers to believe anything different? I am sorry it wouldn’t go through when I tried to do it. Hopefully, it will be posted shortly. Thank you.

  32. puppy love / Feb 3 2010 12:34 PM

    Further, Pita7763 stated that on the website is says and animal is euthanized only when “1) the animal’s injuries are such that euthanasia is the only humane solution; 2) when funding is not available to provide for veterinary services; and 3) when no room is available to house the animal until it is recovered and adopted. It is our goal to eliminate items two and three, therefore putting animals to death only when medically necessary.” I am so glad you pointed that out because IN COURT BEFORE THE JUDGE Terra’s attorney stated that the cats had to be euthanized for upper respitory infection. Upper respitory infection is fairly common and easily treatable. It is most certainly not a reason to euthanize a cat. Further, medicines were provided by volunteers to help treat the cats, but Terra did everything she could to prevent those cats from being treated. She even argued with the volunteers in the cat trailer who brought the medicine to give the cats saying that it was a waste of time and that they could not be treated. Veterinarians have also been consulted on the upper respitory issue. Nearly every cat removed from TEARS that had upper respitory is now totally fine and now are in warm, loving homes. It makes me SICK to know that so many cats were put to death because of upper respitory.

  33. Victoria Nichols / Feb 3 2010 9:43 AM

    Bob Johnson :

    Stanley G. Spangler, are you the author of this military study? If so, you have no right to moralize to anyone on either side of this argument.

    http://www.abstractstorm.com/38/3857/0385767.html

    Abstract:

    Fifty-three lambs and 24 adult sheep were exposed unilaterally (right side) to potentially lethal doses of cobalt-60 gamma radiation (200 to 500 R, midline air dose). The incidence of mortality during the first 60 days post-exposure was recorded and analyzed. The median lethal dose (LD-50) for the lambs was 347 R, and the slope of the probit regression line was 22.24 probits per decade increase in dose. For the adults the LD-50 was 381 R, and the slope was 4.25 probits per decade increase in dose. Compared to other sheep mortality data, the slope of adult line was unusually small; and it is questionable as to whether or not it is a close approximation to that of the entire population. The average day of death for those lambs which died within the first 60 days post-exposure was 21.3 days. Both the average and standard deviation were significantly smaller than those reported elsewhere for bilaterally exposed adults. On the basis of the available data, it appears that the difference in averages can be attributed to the youth of the lambs rather than to the exposure aspect. (Modified author abstract)

    Hoping this time for a response from Stan –

    • ssal / Feb 3 2010 3:26 PM

      Victoria —

      Was planning to respond tonight, but it’s a lot more fun to watch you keep re-posting stuff. You couldn’t even wait 24 hours to start your whatever kind of behavior this should be called! Now, I will not respond here until you re-post Mr. Johnson’s comment here at least ten more times here.

      • pita7763 / Feb 4 2010 2:28 AM

        Stan,

        You do realize that you are not important here until a comment gets re-posted no fewer than three times, don’t you?

        Please, please, please don’t respond to Mr. Johnson until it gets re-posted ten times!! I think you are important enough to get no fewer than 10 re-posts before replying. IMHO.

        pita

      • ssal / Feb 4 2010 5:25 AM

        Thanks, pita 7763.

        It’s going to be interesting to see if Ms. Nichols agrees with you.

        I’m not sure, but it looks to me like the re-posting I want Ms. Nichols to do would probably take up less space than the two very long re-posts Ms. Nichols did of (as Ms. Cornelius now refers to) the now infamous “Neutral Volunteers” email.

        A bit of a power struggle going on here, but I intend to not be bullied by Ms. Nichols’s, nor otherwise tolerate her abusiveness.

  34. puppy love / Feb 2 2010 9:16 PM

    I find the statements made by Pita7763 quite…interesting to put it mildly. I find it “interesting” that any person can make allegations of something NOT happening based on one or two visits to the property. I would bet that some of the bloggers in support of Terra on here have made NO visits to the property or else are volunteers that are personal friends of hers. Also, just because you had a success story with the dog you adopted from there does not mean that the other animals out there had the same story.

    Many of the volunteers that came out did not actually work with all animals on the property. They just came out to drop off food, socialize, pet the animals, or toss out hamburgers and hot dogs as treats. They did not spend a whole day every weekend in that cat trailer and find that each weekend they went in that more and more cats were missing because they had died from upper respitory (as stated from Terra) or euthanized for upper respitory while NONE of them were being adopted out. You never knew each weekend which cat would still be there and which one had been killed or dead from medical neglect. TEARS has been stated by Terra, her attorneys, and her so-called new board to be a no-kill facility. People were donating funds to the organization and people were volunteering for this organization because they believed this to be true. Little did they know what was going on behind the scenes, but they are going to find out! There have been so many volunteers and board members to quit because they were so sick about the neglect and cruelty of the animals. They felt nothing could be done and so they quit. These people will come forward to testify in court. Terra has tried to intimidate people for years and manipulate people into doing whatever she says. NO MORE!!!

    You are right…people need to focus on the facts and those facts will come out in court at the cruelty trial. Of course, Terra’s friends will defend her to the end because that is what friends do. Animals that were supposed to be receiving a certain type of heartworm treatment were in fact not given it and many now have acute heartworms. Animals that were supposed to be spayed and neutered were not and therefore were pregnant. These were not animals that had just arrived at TEARS. These are animals that were impregnated while at TEARS. There is evidence to prove this. No one was allowed to take an animal home at the adoption event until their vet references could be checked on Monday. Another reason is because every animal adopted there had to be spayed or neutered first. Nearly all of the animals at the event were in tact, so you do the math. As a volunteer, I was under the assumption that all the animals on the property were fixed. I was shocked when I learned otherwise and that the animals not fixed were being mixed with other dogs of the opposite sex both fixed and not fixed.

    These are the facts that I am certain will be presented in court. Almost all of the dogs and several of the cats kept at the vet clinics and foster homes also were not fixed. Animals that had upper respitory were refused treatment. Animals that required surgery were not treated. One cat’s eye is so infected that it has to be removed now because it had been neglected for so long. And this cat did not just arrive at TEARS. But, I don’t want you to take my word for it. I think we are all intelligent adults here. You will see all the pictures and get all the medical records you are wanting when the court date comes. The medical records are not from Terra because she didn’t keep anything but a notebook with scribble scrabble in it saying certain animals had shots. She barely had any intake or outtake paperwork on the animals. Yes, the animals do look scared in those pictures and may in fact be because they do not know what is going on. They are receiving great care and will only be there temporarily. Myself and other volunteers have visited the animals at the BJAC and the staff has provided great care.

    At least now they will go to a forever, loving home instead of being HOARDED on that property for months or even years. Those cats would have likely frozen to death if left in that trailer with no heat the first week of January. Three or four heat lamps are not enough to keep all of them warm…especially if they are all sick already. The cold was making them even sicker. Now they will get the love and medical attention they deserve. I find it interested that someone can say they cried when they saw those pictures of the animals looking scared and wanted the animals back on the property when a whole trailer-full of cats were scheduled to be euthanized by March for medical conditions they in fact never even had. This was discussed at the board meetings. Terra’s supporters did not want to fight for the cats. They said to just kill them so that she could just start collecting more animals to put in that trailer and to be in that same exact situation with upper respitory. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE THAT SUPPORTED THAT DECISION!!! They did not ask for proof of Terra’s claims. They just went right along with whatever she said. Did you know that Terra told people if they wanted the cats to be medicated, then they would have to find someone to do it and pay for the medicine? It was said in a board meeting. Did you know that when those arrangements were made and the medicine was purchased that she refused to let those people come out to medicate the animals? Did you know that another group of volunteers medicated the cats anyway despite all attempts from Terra to stop the process and that Terra immediately released dogs on the individuals when they were leaving the property? Did you know that she also made false claims that a volunteer was in the trailer stabbing cats under their rib cage with a needle?

    She said and did anything to take the focus off of her and to put blame on anyone and everyone else. There is proof of all of this and it will be presented when her day comes in a court of law. Did you know that dog fights were common on the property because of the way Terra had the animals arranged and the number of animals in a pen and on the property..especially housed with mixed temperaments? Do you know that many dogs have been killed from the dog fights? There is testimony on that as well that will be told in court. So maybe instead of crying over the dogs looking scared in a place that has more than adequate care for them, cry over those dogs that were shredded to bits on the TEARS property because of overcrowding and poor housing arrangements. If there are too many animals on the property, QUIT BRINGING MORE IN!!! There has to be a limit on how many animals come into a place or else the animals will not be properly cared for and end up in a situation such as this one where animals kill each other and where animals are neglected medically. The animals do not benefit from that type of care.

    Yes, the animals were very well fed. That I can say. Animals cannot say, “I have a severe cold and I need medication so that I can breathe” or “My eye is infected. I need to go to the doctor” or “I need to be fixed so that I do not have babies and contribute to the pet population” or “I need heartworm treatment because I have heartworms and what you are giving me is actually contributing to my disease’s treatment not curing me” or “I have worms and need medicine” and so on and so on. Most all of the animals taken from the property had worms and had to be de-wormed. There is proof of that as well. When the volunteers pointed out medical care was needed for the animals, medical care was refused. That is why the animals needed to go to somewhere where they could be properly taken care of. Also, adoptions were being blocked and that will be presented in court as well.

    Just because someone is good at rescuing animals, does not mean they are good at taking care of them or running a facility. I do not care about the details of the mismanagement of funds. The IRS will get to the truth on that one and the person or people involved with opening bank accounts without permission and collecting funds without permission and cashing checks without permission will have to answer for those actions. Until you were a volunteer that spent every weekend with those animals and witnessed what actually went on in that cat trailer, you really have no idea of what you are talking about. Whether the video captured what was happening or not, the reality of the situation is that animals were being unnecessarily euthanized and medically neglected. And to say that one or more individuals has not been threatened during this process is absurd. The authorities have proof of this and it is not God’s given right to others to have every conversation had or every document filed presented to the public.

    There are things happening behind the scene and investigations going on, so just because you are being refused access to that information does not mean that it didn’t happen. You don’t have to believe it did, but to publicly state for a fact that it did not is ignorant. Those people will testify in court and provide evidence of such. I feel that even when the truth comes out, people will still choose to believe the lies and THAT is not what someone who claims to love and protect animals should or would do. Lastly, I will not be a victim of the bullying that has been going on from the posts on this site. People can demand to know specifics and challenge the syntax or rhetoric in my posting, but I know that is just an attempt to pull focus away from the facts. Some people are so self-absorbed on here that they are more interested in trying to seem intelligent and instead they end up looking like an idiot. If your next question is “Are you referring to me” then yes, I must be. And by the way, one of our unaltered TEARS dogs that became pregnant while at TEARS just had puppies today at BJAC. We now have six more dogs to now find homes for when they are old enough to be adopted out.

    As for Stan Spangler, I do not condemn you for what you may have done in the past. If you were involved in those horrific animal testing studies, I am sure you have had enough guilt from that already. I am glad you now want to help animals instead of what some may consider “sacrificing” them for the sake of science. If you continue to defend others by presenting erroneous claims to the public before being presented with any facts, then you are only continuing to hurt the animals. Put your personal views aside and use evidence like you did with those studies. Then, you will truly be helping animals. Thank you again for not working in that field any longer. 

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 1:59 AM

      Actually, there were other comments I had planned on responding to right now, but since your post/comment was the last on the page and my user name was in the first sentence, it caught my attention. But it was a lie that you told in your second paragraph that causes me to respond to you first since that lie can so easily be shown for exactly that which it is…thus, making everything else you say suspect. You stated in your second paragraph, “TEARS has been stated by Terra, her attorneys, and her so-called new board to be a no-kill facility.” Really?!? Then why does the fourth paragraph of the Company Overview on the TEARS Facebook page state:

      Currently, TEARS is forced to euthanize animals when one of only three circumstances exist: 1) the animal’s injuries are such that euthanasia is the only humane solution; 2) when funding is not available to provide for veterinary services; and 3) when no room is available to house the animal until it is recovered and adopted. It is our goal to eliminate items two and three, therefore putting animals to death only when medically necessary. We are especially proud of our program for placing “senior” animals.

      And nobody has to take my word for it…or wait for some “trial” (don’t charges have to be filed in order for a trial to occur?!?). Anyone can go read it for themselves:

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tears-of-Alabama/176607553903?v=info

      And in case there is still any doubt, they can go to one or both of these websites as well where I believe it states the same thing as the Facebook page does:

      http://www.volunteermatch.org/search/org95483.jsp

      http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/tears-emergency-animal-rescue-service.aspx

      One, of course, can also do a Goggle (or any other) search and see this as well:

      TEARS – The Emergency Animal Rescue Service – About Us
      We are one of the few organizations in Central Alabama operating on a 24 hour a … Currently, TEARS is forced to euthanize animals when one of only three …
      http://www.tearstown.com/about.php

      Now, unfortunately, the “powers that be” made certain the TEARStown website was taken down almost immediately as the raid on December 31st occurred so you can’t actually go and read the rest of it…but I think most people can figure out what the TEARStown website said about their policy regarding euthanasia just by seeing that much that Goggle did capture. Isn’t it interesting how quickly “they” got the TEARStown website taken offline. We wouldn’t want people who realize that just because something is said in the news that doesn’t necessarily make it true going out to the website and actually seeing the good things TEARS/Terra has done. Because they might have seen stories like this:

      http://blog.al.com/tears/2009/05/a_story_of_a_horse_rescue.html

      or this:

      http://blog.al.com/tears/2009/07/only_her_spirit_and_a_fragment.html

      If you are going to lie, don’t tell a lie that can be so easily exposed…it destroys your credibility. Thus I will not even bother discussing the remainder of your post/comment. But one very serious note to you, in your next to the last paragraph, you said, “Lastly, I will not be a victim of the bullying that has been going on from the posts on this site.” In case you haven’t been keeping up (and regardless of what opinion, or anything else, someone has on all this)…first and foremost it is the animals that are the victims here…NOT you!! And the last time I checked in a free country, asking questions, stating fact/opinion, and debating those things does not even come close to the definition of “bullying.” And though Ms. Nichols and I probably don’t agree with one another on much of anything…and I don’t particularly care for some of her snide remarks (nor, would I guess, does she care for mine), I will give credit where credit is due and she at least has allowed those whose views she may oppose state their views nonetheless…and without taking it personally (I think) or crying, “Foul!”

      • Victoria Nichols / Feb 3 2010 9:34 AM

        Credibility is in-the-eye-of-the-beholder. I visited the TEARS website one day before it was taken down; at that time it clearly stated that the organization was ‘no-kill.’

        I remember that because I remarked to a friend how incredible I thought it was for that statement to be on the website.

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 2:26 AM

      It is interesting to me that Danyell Jackson in both her signed Incident Report and Statement to the police said that she is/was the “Volunteer Adoptions Coordinator” and that TEARS “is a no-kill facility.” How is it that a TEARS volunteer(s) does not even know that TEARS does/did not consider itself “a no-kill facility”? That their own website says exactly the opposite? I’ve only known about TEARS for a few months and I knew they were not considered “a no-kill facility” the very first day I looked into the group. If anyone donated money and/or volunteered their time there and didn’t know that TEARS was not “a no-kill facility” then they were an idiot for not reading what the organization’s policy was on the matter because it was impossible to miss.

      • Victoria Nichols / Feb 3 2010 9:38 AM

        Perhaps Danyell believed the propaganda she was being fed. Most people would hope that a rescue would be ‘no-kill.’

        Any organization, or person for that matter, can edit what they have put on the internet in order to improve their on-line persona.

      • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 1:05 PM

        Victoria, you say that you saw the TEARS website the day before it was taken down and that it stated that they were “a no-kill facility.” Today I did a search on Google as I stated above and found where they never claimed they were “a no-kill facility” on their own website prior to it being taken offline. To save anyone the trouble, here is the Google search link (the TEARS website is the 7th one down I believe):

        http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22the+emergency+animal+rescue+service%22%2Balabama%2BTEARS%2Beuthanize%2Bthree&start=20&sa=N

        Therefore, according to you, someone had to have changed that information between the time you saw it the day before it was taken down and the time it was taken offline. Then the first question that needs to be answered is who managed the website during those two days?

        Anyone have a fact-based answer to that?

        And while we are discussing websites and changes that are made to them, I would also like to know who is maintaining the TEARS Facebook site. For whoever it is, you can go in and delete that which you don’t want anyone to see on the “Wall” page, but there isn’t a thing you can do about someone having copied the “Wall” page and saving it prior to you getting control of it and going “delete happy.”

        Victoria, you are correct, most people would hope that a rescue would be “no-kill”…but unfortunately that just isn’t the case. I did a quick search for “no-kill” shelters in Alabama I founds sites listing anywhere from 1 to 10 “no-kill” shelters in the entire state of Alabama. And according to Petfinder there are 101 animal shelters and rescue groups in Alabama. So it appears that TEARS was not the only rescue group in Alabama that wasn’t “a no-kill facility.” It appears that there are about 91 others that are also not “a no-kill facility.” And who knows, maybe “the powers that be” might get all of those shut down as well…so far they have a pretty good record of being able to do so without any problem and without having to answer to anyone.

    • ssal / Feb 3 2010 5:58 PM

      Puppy Love:

      Relative to your statement, “If you continue to defend others by presenting erroneous claims to the public before being presented with any facts, then you are only continuing to hurt the animals,” I request that you specifically point out any and all erroneous claims that I have presented to the public before being presented with any facts.

  35. Bob Johnson / Feb 2 2010 6:52 PM

    Stanley G. Spangler, are you the author of this military study? If so, you have no right to moralize to anyone on either side of this argument.

    http://www.abstractstorm.com/38/3857/0385767.html

    Abstract:

    Fifty-three lambs and 24 adult sheep were exposed unilaterally (right side) to potentially lethal doses of cobalt-60 gamma radiation (200 to 500 R, midline air dose). The incidence of mortality during the first 60 days post-exposure was recorded and analyzed. The median lethal dose (LD-50) for the lambs was 347 R, and the slope of the probit regression line was 22.24 probits per decade increase in dose. For the adults the LD-50 was 381 R, and the slope was 4.25 probits per decade increase in dose. Compared to other sheep mortality data, the slope of adult line was unusually small; and it is questionable as to whether or not it is a close approximation to that of the entire population. The average day of death for those lambs which died within the first 60 days post-exposure was 21.3 days. Both the average and standard deviation were significantly smaller than those reported elsewhere for bilaterally exposed adults. On the basis of the available data, it appears that the difference in averages can be attributed to the youth of the lambs rather than to the exposure aspect. (Modified author abstract)

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 5:11 AM

      Bob, I going to assume (oh, how I still hate that word) that this really is your first time to post here and not that you have posted here before and have just started a new identity so that it would look like there are just more and more people flocking to this site who all have the same beliefs (i.e., agenda).

      Bob, this is a blog about T.E.A.R.S. It isn’t a blog about what someone may or may not have done 37 years ago…especially when it does not have anything to do with T.E.A.R.S.

      Thought for the day, Bob? How many years would I have to go back to find something that you have done that you wouldn’t particularly be proud to have posted on the Internet? Thirty-seven years? More? Less? Ever hear the saying, “Karma doesn’t play!”

      • ssal / Feb 3 2010 11:44 PM

        Thank you for your support, pita 7763, but I am comfortable with my role in this Air Force matter, which I would have explained tonight if those who are so interested in pursuing it would have approached it in what I felt like was a decent manner.

        Some folks seem to be so desperate on deflecting attention from “inconvenient” truth about the TEARS matter, they will say or do just about whatever they think will work to prevent the public from developing a general awareness of such “inconvenient” truth.

    • ssal / Feb 4 2010 4:33 AM

      Bob Johnson —

      Are we using the same link but ending up on two different Web pages? The site you arrive at shows an abstract with one author, and the site I arrive at shows an abstract with two authors. How does that happen?

  36. Victoria Nichols / Feb 2 2010 10:56 AM

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
    — Arthur Schopenhauer

  37. ssal / Feb 1 2010 10:47 PM

    Ms. Cornelius, Ms. Nichols:

    To restate what I meant to communicate: It is definitely in the best interests of the animals for you two and some others to be exposed for who you really are and what you are really about.

  38. Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 1 2010 8:52 PM

    Murbay:

    Ms. Cotromano has not been charged with anything to my knowledge.

    TruthnJustice or whoever it was:
    On a separate note, I think it was TruthnJustice that emailed me separately to inquire about Cisco (i may be wrong about the author of that email) Lee Anne Bennett successfully located 2 donors to pay for the $700 surgery to save this animal. Surgery was complex but sucessful and done Friday and Cisco is doing great. A wonderful family is waiting on the recovery process and will adopt Cisco once rehab is complete. This was great news since the first eval on this dog was not positive. A behavior specialist was assigned to Cisco and has been working with Cisco for almost three weeks – great progress on the agression was made prior to surgery. Cisco is simply not the same dog. No food agression, sociable, a constant wagger and ready for tummy rubs at the drop of a hat.

    Thank you for asking.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    Blackboard Consulting

  39. Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 1 2010 8:44 PM

    Stan:
    Thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate your support and recognition that it is the animals that we are trying to help. I also appreciate your patience with some of my confusion at your questions. But I think together we found some answers and common ground.

    Take care.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    Blackboard Consulting

  40. murbay / Feb 1 2010 4:10 PM

    I asked in the old thread and will ask now. Have charges been filed against Terra?

    • pita7763 / Feb 3 2010 4:02 AM

      murbay, I replied to your quesion on the T.E.A.R.S. Crisis page, but just in case you, or anyone else for that matter, missed it I thought I’d include it on this page as well since you asked the question here as well:

      pita7763 :Murbay, I like you…you’re funny!
      Dwight Sloan seized either 25 or 22 dogs (one article said 25 then the next one said 22) and 6 cats from TEARS during his animal cruelty investigation. Given that, by what right did anyone have to remove the other animals that were removed that day? (And why isn’t somebody publicly demanding an answer to that question?) Last Monday in court he didn’t detail any of his findings. He just said that he was preparing the information for the D.A., who could decide if they wanted to pursue criminal charges. So as far as I can tell, Terra has not been charged with anything yet.
      Now you know what this is really about! This isn’t about Terra neglecting, being cruel, or abusing the animals at TEARS. It isn’t about Terra doing anything wrong in regard to the TEARS money. And sadly enough and more than anything, it isn’t about making sure that the animals’ best interest are served first…or at all.
      It was NEVER anything other than a plot to take Terra and TEARS down. It won’t be the first time certain groups have worked together to ruin an innocent animal rescue group and it won’t be the last time. I wonder when people are finally going to figure it out and start demanding to know why these certain groups are hell-bent on destroying animal rescue groups? Regardless of what they are wanting people to believe, they have an interest in doing this…and it has nothing to do with the animals. There are some that have been trying to tell the public that there is something seriously wrong with what is going on with these groups…but the MSM doesn’t seem to want to touch it and the public seems to just want to believe whatever they are told even when what they are shown doesn’t support the claims. I don’t know, but I think Hitler started out this way…telling everyone what to think…and they found it easier to just do that than to open their eyes and look around at all that was going on around them and start thinking for themselves that maybe they are being lied to.
      BTW, Ms. Nichols has requested that we start putting new comments on the “T.E.A.R.S. Crisis Update” page.

  41. Allison Black Cornelius / Feb 1 2010 2:47 PM

    PITA 7763:

    Please let me apologize up front for calling you PITA7763, I do not know your name. It is likley Stan Spangler will ask you if you are associated with any of the associations or organizations involved with this matter, and it may be then that we learn a better greeting. Stan, up front, I do not know who this is so please do not email me and ask if I wrote this comment since I am now replying to PITA 7763. I still have no idea of who he/she is.

    If I may ask you, were you at the hearing on January 15th or just the one last Monday? Also, were you at the TEARS property as a volunteer during the month of December?

    I do not see where you are asking me a question, but I am trying to make sure I am understanding how often you were at TEARS in December and in what capacity. Also which court you were in on what date? If anyone has questions about the transferred animals care, happy to answer.

    Thank you for your patience with my questions.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    BlackBOARD Consulting

    • ssal / Feb 1 2010 5:32 PM

      Slowly but surely, Ms. Cornelius, I think you, Ms. Nichols, and some others are being exposed for who you really are and what you are really about.

      – Stan Spangler

    • ssal / Feb 1 2010 5:39 PM

      … which is definitely in the best interests of the animals.

      • Victoria Nichols / Feb 1 2010 9:18 PM

        Stan,

        I would like to thank you, as well. It’s so good to see that you understand, that I remain steadfast to my core intention of animal protection. Thanks :)

    • pita7763 / Feb 4 2010 3:16 AM

      Ms. Cornelius,

      I’m not sure why you are now apologizing for calling me PITA7763. You’ve answered another comment/post from me previously and called me that without any qualm about it…nor at the time did you seem to care one way or another that you did not know my name.

      It almost seems like you are trying to play a game with me with regard to this comment/post. Every single question you are asking me, I’ve already answered in my comment/post that you were supposedly responding to. Stop the fishing expedition! I’ve already stated how I ended up getting involved in all this.

      Since you didn’t see where I was asking a question in my comment/post, I’ll repeat it again here. I was/am referring to the Disposition of the TEARS Animals Hearing that was held on January 25, 2010, and here is what I asked:

      “Last Monday it was very difficult to hear everything that was being said to the judge in the courtroom in Bessemer? Did I hear an individual state that they were personally taking care of several of the animals that came from TEARS? If so, who is it that made that statement?”

      And if you can Ms. Cornelius I would like to have an answer to this question.

      Thank you!

      pita

  42. Victoria Nichols / Feb 1 2010 12:56 PM

    02/01/10

    Judge Fancher has, today, determined the TEARS animals will remain where they are now housed. The Judge further determined the TEARS animals involved in the cruelty investigation to be available for adoption.

    ADDITIONALY:
    The Judge has determined that no TEARS animals may be euthanized without a court order.

  43. Allison Black Cornelius / Jan 31 2010 11:56 PM

    Mr. Spangler:

    No animals were euthanized for the purpose of making room for Tears animals. My source was the staff at animal control.

    I will be anxious to see if you endeavor to “advocate” for the animals we transferred by inquiring as to their heath and current status.

    Thank you.
    Allison Black cornelius

    • pita7763 / Feb 1 2010 2:31 AM

      With all due respect, Mrs. Cornelius, all some of us had to do was go look on the web site for Saturday’s Adopt-a-Thon for the TEARS animals and see the pictures of some of the dogs that were at TEARS prior to December 31st. I cried when I saw those poor dogs looking absolutely terrified and sad sitting on the concrete floors huddled back toward a corner of the concrete walls of their cages. The last time I saw those dogs they were healthy well-fed dogs running happily around a place where they knew that they were safe…and more than that…loved. So we can see the status of the animals as they are now as opposed to when they were at TEARS and we don’t really need someone “telling” us something we know is just not true…some of us can SEE the truth for ourselves. I decided to get involved in all this mess because I knew for a fact what I saw at TEARS when I adopted my dog at the first of December. And it was absolutely NOTHING like what some people made sure that the media heard and broadcast. There was no way I could have stood quietly by and let people try to tell me things that I knew for a fact were lies because I had already seen the truth! I know what would have happened to my dog if anyone other than TEARS had rescued him. Because of the fact that he was a 3-4 year old adult dog that was going to cost somebody a ton of money in vet bills (due to the physical wounds he had received) they would have just put him down in a heartbeat and without any hesitation. I know how much time it took for him to get past his physical and emotional scars before he was ready for adoption. And I know that it was Terra who put the time in with him to get him ready so that he could find his forever home. As a TEARS volunteer told me when she saw him at my house, he was finally the dog that they all knew he could/would be if they could just find him the right home. And that never would have happened had it not been for Terra and TEARS. And in case anyone is wondering, I had never met Terra or anyone else affiliated with TEARS (when I went to pick up my dog, I just signed the papers, wrote the check for the adoption fee, and took my dog home) until I went to the hearing that was held in the Bessemer courthouse last Monday. For most of those who have been talking and have been calling themselves TEARS since around December 31, 2009, I have a quote for them: “What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say!” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson~

      Last Monday it was very difficult to hear everything that was being said to the judge in the courtroom in Bessemer? Did I hear an individual state that they were personally taking care of some of the animals that came from TEARS? If so, who is it that made that statement?

      One last comment I truly hope that everyone who reads this blog stops and thinks about this for a while. Especially with print media – in the MSM – sensationalism is what sells! The best way to reach most people and make them believe what you want them to believe is to call in the media, make it into a circus, and then make all of your accusations. The media will definitely want to have pictures of everything, so you let them take pictures of everything. People! Stop listening to what they are telling you! Instead look at what is being shown to you! Look at the pictures that were taken by The Birmingham New at TEARS on December 31, 2009. They are telling you that these animals are being neglected, being abused, and animal were being cruelty treated. If that were true don’t you think that The Birmingham News would have taken pictures of such things? Produced some pictures that backed up the story being reported? I saw absolutely nothing in those pictures that supported the claims being made. What is the old saying in the news broadcast business, “if it bleeds, it leads”? If you say it/report it…then show it! (And if what you show doesn’t support what you say/report then there is something seriously wrong!) Then a press release is released telling of all of the horrible horrific deeds that were occurring in one of the cat trailers. The heading of the press release stated “BOARD MEMBERS OF TEARS RELEASE VIDEO OF CATS IN CRISIS.” But the video did not whatsoever document any of what the press release stated (even more so if you stopped listening to what the people making the video were saying during the recording of the video since they were telling you what they wanted you to see…not necessarily what you were actually seeing). Interestingly I noticed as more and more people were commenting that they weren’t seeing what the press release told them they were going to see in the video, the videos were taken down. (I’ve already heard the explanation of why we are being told it was taken down, I don’t need to be told again. Straight up and simple…I don’t believe it!) Is everything you have been told recently about Terra and TEARS supported by anything other than a few people’s words? Think for yourselves…don’t let someone tell you want to think…think it out for yourself and then determine what the truth really is!

      Thanks!

      • ssal / Feb 2 2010 1:47 AM

        pita7763:

        Whoever you are, thanks for pointing out what you have about those who have done so much to shut down the rescue service that helped so many animals that needed it.

        I wonder how many animals have desperately need the help that TEARS could have provided, and how much suffering those animals have done.

      • ssal / Feb 2 2010 1:58 AM

        “… have desperately needed …”

  44. ssal / Jan 31 2010 10:45 PM

    Ms. Cornelius:

    I’d like to amend the question I asked you in my above January 25, 2010, 2:29 question to you:

    Can you also assure everyone that NO animals at all were euthanized AT ANY FACILITY due to the bringing in of the TEARS animals?

    — Stan Spangler

  45. ssal / Jan 31 2010 10:40 PM

    Ms. Phillips:

    If any animals at any facility to which TEARS animals were taken were in fact euthanized to make room for TEARS animals, do you WANT to know about such? Also, would you like for the general public to know, or would you prefer the public be kept unaware of such information (if it’s true).

    Also, are you by any chance associated at all with any of the organizations involved in this matter?

  46. Marianne Phillips / Jan 25 2010 8:58 PM

    SSAL – I have an idea. Can we ask Kay Till to provide her source of information for the dozens and dozens of animals being euthanized? I just want to be sure we are being fair and I know you want to be fair to everyone here. So just in case you forgot to ask Kay to do the same as what you are asking of everyone else, please ask her to provide her source as well. Thanks so much!! :)

  47. Victoria Nichols / Jan 25 2010 12:23 PM

    RESULTS OF TODAY’S DISPOSITION-OF-ANIMALS HEARING:

    Judge Fancher has determined that the ‘TEARS animals’ will stay where they are for now, and NOT be returned to the TEARS property.

    Judge Fancher further determined, that the animals may be adopted.

    • Victoria Nichols / Jan 26 2010 6:39 PM

      CLARIFICATION:

      The Judge has allowed both parties one week to produce documentation, that any of the TEARS animals are individually owned.

      There is a final disposition hearing on Monday, February 1, 2009.

  48. Allison Black Cornelius / Jan 24 2010 9:59 PM

    Ms. Till’s comments regarding dozens and dozens of animals being euthanized at BJC due to Tears animals being there are not correct.

    Thank you.

    Allison Black Cornelius

    • ssal / Jan 25 2010 2:29 PM

      Can you also assure everyone that NO animals at all were euthanized there due to the bringing in of the TEARS animals?

      Also can you provide a reference for the source of your information on that matter?

      Thanks

  49. pita7763 / Jan 23 2010 3:52 PM

    Victoria Nichols :I question and challenge your premise about ‘ dozens and dozens of dogs are being killed at the BJC Animal Control shelter in order to make room for the animals from TEARS.’
    Have you, personally, confirmed that?
    You, yourself, say: ‘but if…’
    I’m not really interested in ‘ifs’ I’m interested in the truth.

    Ms. Nichols, I find it incredible that you are the owner and moderator of this blog and yet you challenge someone’s post about dozens and dozens of animals having to be euthanized at BJCAC because they have TEARS animals there and that they have to hold the ones that are involved in any cruelty investigation. Maybe if you had not cluttered up this page with re-posting – TWICE – after the original (lengthy) post from “Neutral Volunteers at Tearstown” then you would have seen the second item on this page that appears to be a statement stating exactly those facts that you question and challenge. Also, if you are the owner and moderator of this blog, how did that statement get there without your knowledge?

    BTW, if there are TEARS animals being held at BJCAC and they meet the same fate as Phoenix did while in the “care” of BJCAC, then I want to see a press conference where every single person who tried to discredit Terra explains exactly how those animals were better off going to BJCAC than they would have been if they had been left at TEARStown.

    Yes, I was at TEARStown around the first of December and no, I saw ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – NOTHING – like what some people are trying to have the public believe about Terra and TEARStown!

    • Victoria Nichols / Jan 23 2010 9:40 PM

      pita7763 –

      Yes, I added Kay Till’s email which includes the allegation: “Dozens and dozens of animals are being euthanized because they need room for the TEARS animals & they must hold those involved in cruelty investigations.”

      I added it for two reasons: 1. My intention for this blog is that anyone interested in the discussion subject [TEARS] can post information / comments here; 2. I respect Kay Till and I acknowledge her concern.

      Everyone knows that I have not been a fan of BJCACS for over ten years. I have based my opinion / perception on documented incidents and published reports. There is documentation regarding Phoenix on this very site.

      I have considered both-sides of Ms. Till’s allegation; and had discussions with people I believe to be good sounding-boards.

      The core issue, with this allegation, remains, for me, the lack of confirmation / documentation / proof. That is why I added Kay Till and Phil Doster’s contact information [Kay Till – kptill@yahoo.com, Phil Doster – pdoster@bjcacs.com] to this page beneath the email. Has anyone contacted them? If so what have they said?

      If someone has proof of this allegation, please bring the proof to our public dialogue. I remain stedfast in my belief that we seek the truth.

  50. Victoria Nichols / Jan 22 2010 11:18 PM

    DISPOSITION OF THE TEARS ANIMALS HEARING

    Monday, January 25, 2010 9:00 AM

    Jefferson County Courthouse – Bessemer Division (Courthouse Annex)

    1801 3rd Avenue North
    Bessemer, Alabama 35020

    Courtroom 508 – Judge Fancher

  51. Victoria Nichols / Jan 22 2010 1:56 PM

    Language used in the public discussion of the TEARS situation:

    Specifically, the use of the word ‘raid.’

    The American Heritage Dictionary defines raid as 1. A surprise attack, as one made by a commando force. 2. A sudden and forcible entry of a place by police.

    These definitions, to my knowledge, do not reflect what occurred at the TEARS property. Ms. Cotromano was served with a temporary restraing order signed by a judge, directing her not to impede board members, volunteers, and vets to come onto the property to assist the animals. It was all very methodical and legal.

    Inflammatory language doesn’t improve our understanding, or bring us closer to the truth.

    Victoria ~

  52. truthNjustice / Jan 22 2010 6:59 AM

    Thank you Ms. Rawlins for coming forward as a former TEARS board member to attest to the allegations of the current board. It’s shame that so many people are synical and wish to cloud the facts surrounding this case. You are absolutely correct in that TEARS is, or was, the only true rescue organization of it’s kind in this state that I am aware of, and I’ve never met anyone as dedicated to rescue of the injured or abused animals as Terra has been. However, even the best of the best have their shortcomings, as none of us are perfect. You said it – the Board is supposed to govern the organization, not the other way around. Without total team play and cooperation, any entity is destined to fail, eventually. As the FACTS surrounding this case are revealed to the public, I believe that reasonably intelligent, truth minded people will finally understand what took place, rather than having their intelligence insulted by comments and opinions of those who have been spouting off their mouths here, and on other blogs, withouth the truth or the facts. My prayer and hope right now is first and foremost is for the TEARS animals who are in desperate need of permanent loving homes. I also applaud all of the other rescue groups, including the GBHS and BJCAC for their willingness to help when they have needy animals as well. If anyone reading these blogs who is a responsible, loving pet owner and may have room for just one more, please search yourselves and consider adopting one, or any, of these animals. Most importantly, please, spay and neuter your own pets, and encourage others to do so as well to help reduce this ever present & ongoing problem of animal over-population.

    • stanleyspangler / Jan 22 2010 1:24 PM

      Hi, “Truth”

      I like that phrase, “reasonably intelligent, truth minded.” Is that a phrase you’ve previously used a lot?

      I’m glad to see you care so much about the animals, but if dozens and dozens of dogs are being killed at the BJC Animal Control shelter in order to make room for the animals from TEARS, isn’t that essentially the equivalent of just killing the animals from TEARS? Of course, killing the animals at BJC instead of those at TEARS gives those who planned and carried out the TEARS raid an opportunity to look good. I’m sure any animals whose lives were sacrificed to make room for TEARS animals are very grateful.

      Congratulations on being such a good person, “Truth” & oh, yes: “Justice.”

      • Victoria Nichols / Jan 22 2010 2:11 PM

        I question and challenge your premise about ‘ dozens and dozens of dogs are being killed at the BJC Animal Control shelter in order to make room for the animals from TEARS.’

        Have you, personally, confirmed that?

        You, yourself, say: ‘but if…’

        I’m not really interested in ‘ifs’ I’m interested in the truth.

  53. Victoria Nichols / Jan 21 2010 7:34 PM

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE:

    A copy of the TEARStown property deed has been added to this site. You may access it on this page: https://kindredspiritus.wordpress.com/t-e-a-r-s-crisis/the-temporary-restraining-order/

    Victoria ~

  54. Suzanna Rawlins / Jan 21 2010 2:01 PM

    As a previous Board member who resigned over the problems at TEARS several years back – I can attest that there were problems then – money wasn’t handled correctly and animals were not treated well, especially the cats. Unfortunately when I brought this up to the Board at the time (Jerry Yarley the president) the Board backed me until Terra pitched a fit and threatened them and me. They then backed down and left me to defend myself. Jerry actually met with me to tell me what was coming and suggested that I resign and walk away, which is what I did. Professionally I could no longer serve on a Board that did not manage the public’s trust and manage the finances correctly. I could not in good conscience stay. I applaud the current Board members who stood up for the animals who could not speak for themselves. A board of Directors for a non-profit organization is the governing body of the organization. The executive director reports to the Board. It is that simple. But in the case with TEARS, that was not so. Terra did everything she could to maintain control, especially over the $$. She and I locked horns numerous times because I paid the organizations bills instead of hers. So it is HIGH time for a clean up with this organization. That being said, I commend Terra for what she created with TEARS and the organizations purpose. She filled a niche that had not been addressed and was sorely needed. And in the beginning there was much good being done. But since the organization did not have the proper controls in place, it spiraled out of control. And now everyone has suffered, but most of all the ones who needed the organization the most – the animals. And that is what saddens me. It was time that the fiasco of management at TEARS was fixed and some people removed. I just hate that the animals have suffered as they have. It is so sad. But it is time for Terra to move on and let go. TEARS should be dissoved as it will forever be tainted and maybe someday a new organization can be created to fill this niche. I only hope this time it will be managed correctly.

  55. ssal / Jan 20 2010 7:28 PM

    Question to all:

    In an item posted above (not a comment) that appears to be a copy of something authored by BJC Animal Control or/and Kay Till, there is the paragraph:

    “Between the 50 TEARS animals and those being held for animal cruelty cases at BJAC, there’s little room left for adoptable pets. Dozens and dozens of animals are being euthanized because they need room for the TEARS animals & they must hold those involved in cruelty investigations.”

    Is it true that dozens and dozens of animals are being killed at BJC Animal Control to make room for the animals from TEARS?

  56. Allison Black Cornelius / Jan 20 2010 10:13 AM

    We are finishing up the last parts of this effort. It has been nice meeting all of you by web. The board members want to thank the many people who contacted them and the other members of the team as a result of this and other websites. The websites we have seen have all been very informative and do a good job of giving information. But if you are coming to this website in hopes that answers will be given to the questions posed in Comment 23 or 28 you will not. A few of the volunteers who were involved in that posting have now spoken to law enforcement and shared additional information. Ms. Nichols did not write the post. It was written by exactly who signed it.

    You will not hear any answers to any of those questions on a blog or in the press. You will also not see their core supporters asking those questions. You will see their core supporters continuing to make the issue about anything but those questions and those answers. Quality for profit corporations and well run public charities and their staff have an ethos of transparency and a culture of inquiry. They have nothing to hide, nothing to divert. They are proud of their products and programs, they can demonstrate it, and they have excellent oversight. Birmingham and our state have tons of them.

    This past year has seen intense public demand for accountability in the usually somewhat private for profit sector. Hopefully we have all learned that charities answer to the communities they serve and to their donors. When they do not answer your questions in a timely and reasonable manner do not support them. Support those that do with your time and your money.

    The Corporate Library, founded by Nell Minow, is an excellent website to watch if you are looking for rating information on for profit corporations. Nell is a well known activist in governance. I am working with some people and trying to get her here to speak. If she does, don’t miss it. Guidestar is the closest thing to Corporate Library for nonprofit organizations. There are also some wonderful organizations that fund and support community based organizations right here in Birmingham, Alabama. Check out the work of the Alabama Association of Nonprofits — they have a tremendous summit coming up in Birmingham, the United Way of Central Alabama, Alabama Giving, or the Community Foundation of Greater Birmingham.

    Thank all of you for the work you do.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    BlackBOARD Consulting

  57. Victoria Nichols / Jan 20 2010 9:42 AM

    NEW VIDEO OF ADOPTABLE TEARS DOGS AT BJCAC:

    Hello everyone.

    Below is a link to a YOU TUBE video produced by Phil Doster. I just want you to forward it.

    There will be more but I wanted you to see this one and pass it on. These are just SOME of the dogs that were transferred from Tears Rescue to BJC that need a home. Of course there are many other dogs at other shelters (GBHS) and veterinary clinics and foster homes.

    I thought this was a great effort and it put a smile on my face. They are working on the cats as well.

    I am also sending this to Hand In Paw staff. While I know they are not an animal welfare or rescue organization, they are a nonprofit organization that has always collaborated and cooperated with animal welfare agencies when the need arises. This situation has certainly shown an incredible team effort on the part of many agencies and nonprofits.

    There will be a multi agency adopt-a-thon promoted and carried out at the end of the month.

    I thank you in advance for watching it and for passing it on. – And NO, I promise have not become one of the people who will start sending you pictures of dogs that need help (you know who you are)!

    Allison Black Cornelius

    BlackBOARD Consulting

    (And, YES, Allison actually wrote this email :))

  58. Victoria Nichols / Jan 20 2010 7:59 AM

    SSAL:

    Would “reasonably intelligent, truth-minded people” EVER want to talk about the ISSUES of this situation? Or would your version of “reasonably intelligent, truth-minded people” just want to continue to try to delay that?

    Do you have a genuine interest in knowing where the unaccounted money went, how the TEARS animals are doing now, or how / why they were allowed to be in such bad condition? Or do you just not care about that?

  59. Victoria Nichols / Jan 19 2010 11:23 PM

    For those who seek truth; and to those with the answers…courage to speak:

    Neutral Volunteers at Tearstown :

    Higher Ground and sent to all press:

    This post is from a group of volunteers who want some answers. Thank you for being a place that has been willing to allow everyone to comment, for posting public documents, and for getting answers to questions that have appeared here. You have demonstrated not just to us but to many people who have never seen this site or met you that you are willing to allow people to be heard even if you do not agree with them. We had not seen your site before the TEARS stuff started and while we may not agree with everything on it we will always appreciate your willingness to let everyone contribute information on this site.

    The comments listed in #6 including (cant wait to see what Ms. Nichol’s comes up with) speak for themselves. You only shared info that was already shared by the official spokespeople or others or maybe heard by you in court. One of us serves on a nonprofit board that has members and one of us is an officer of that board. We are not sure, but doubt that the person in comment 6 has any idea of the difference between a membership organization or any other kind. Our Board Chairman signs our Form 990 and we have to sign a paper saying that we have had a chance to look over it once a year. The person in #6 speaks of the TEARS board as if she has every fact about the issue and you can tell she does not. If she had just once simply looked at the information returns posted here she would know what many others have already seen there and suddenly realized.

    Some of us have been to this website and others every day since this mess started and have seen question after question fired at the board members, answered by them, and spokesperson Cornelius. We were Terra supporters. We have been out at Tearstown almost every day since this happened and one of us was in court Friday on her side. Friday was the first time we realized that there were not going to be any answers coming out from Terra or the attorneys for what we call the NEW board. Now we want to see some hard questions put to Terra and the new or real board as they call it or their spokesperson. Is that Debbie?

    PAYING FOR ATTORNEYS! So we find out that the other side’s people are working for free or pro bono. Cornelius answered the question about her contract and her pay January 1, 2, and 4th to three people from our side who emailed her directly. Our group was sent a forwarded copy of her reply but then we see Nicole Self our new Treasurer asking the same question at this site again. Did someone in our group not tell Nicole what we already knew? She is on our site. Why would she post that question again a week later? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, etc when are you or anyone else going to ask who is paying for the attorneys that were on our side of the courtroom. We can’t even get a clear answer on which attorney is representing who or what. Are they representing Terra, the new board, or Tearstown animals or what? We still have not gotten a clear answer whether Terra has her own attorney. We think it is a fair question to ask. Who is paying for those 3 attorneys and who do they represent?

    CASH WITHDRAWALS! Why has neither Terra or someone from our side not provided receipts or an explanation to show where the cash withdrawals in 2008 (mentioned in about every Birmingham News article and on every TV station) went? Ask. And don’t tell us payroll. How will we know what CASH withdrawn over 2008 had paid for? If it is payroll then show us the signed receipts from the people who got paid? How do we know it did not go to something else if it was CASH? That should be pretty simple to explain to us shouldn’t it? Only thing we keep being told is that Ms. Lepore, Ms. Ballard, and Ms. Bennett knew about it. Knew what about what? About cash payroll? Fine, show us paperwork showing it. Does Ms. Lepore have it? Did Ms. Lepore split cash with Terra? None of us understand.

    $20,000 CHECK! That was the first thing we heard out at TEARS that first night December 30 on the television. How about a receipt or some explanation in writing for a $20,000 check made out to cash. Is there a copy of a check somewhere made out to cash? None of sees how that could be true. Banks would never cash a check made out to cash for that amount and especially if the check had TEARS on it. Did it? How in this world would a person cash a check made out to cash for $20,000.00? You have got to be kidding. A check made out to cash for that amount at a charity. Who signed it? Did either one of the two board ladies have access to this account? Did Sandy? Did one of them sign it? We all think that should be easily answered and fast. Spangler, Murbay, Kennedy, Self others where is that question posted to Terra or somebody by you? Someone answer! No receipt for that check. Well at least give us a dummies a verbal answer of what it was used for? That check and the cash withdrawals have been discussed on every newscast and not once have our people gotten an answer or demanded someone to address it. Not on a single blog or broadcast have they asked Terra or whoever on our side (Hey we believe in you just show the receipts or tell the public what this was for and clear this thing right on up so we can all get back to the animals! You used it for the animals, right? It is a public charity so this is all completely reasonable to ask, right? We don’t have a double standard here right? We have been told all kinds of things about the exact same things with Steve Smith at the Birmingham shelter and Jackie Mier at the Birmingham humane society and the Gilbert woman at the national humane society for years (at least since Eagle) so we have to show them we are willing to be as open as we asked them to be right? Right? No?

    You are all hypocrites. Maybe I should say we are all hypocrites.

    HOW ABOUT THE DIABLO CRISIS! Joanne you have been around Tears a long time. You posted and posted to Cornelius about this dog Diablo. Joanne we all know which dog Diablo is. Post after post. We called Ms. Cornelius and asked about this dog. She and her assistant spent a week tracking down the dog. Telephone, emails, papers, photos and her driving around the state looking for DIABLO. Well she found Diablo, posted it at this site and others for you to call and get answers. We called Cornelius. Oh by the way to my surprise she actually gave me all of us her email and telephone and same to the media and our TEARS group. She has been refreshingly open and available. She has talked to Debbie many times and others from our group and always tried to help them get answers. Interestingly enough, none of the above “people concerned with animals” at this site once followed up and asked if she had heard from Ms. Kennedy to get an update on FINDING DIABLO. By the way we have emailed her about it and many other things. She has not gotten any reply at this site or her email from Ms. Kennedy.

    THE DOG THAT WAS ALMOST PUT DOWN AT TEARS! Cornelius or someone mentioned it earlier in here or some other site. There were about 10 to 15 people standing at Tearstown when this one came up. Anybody care to know how that animal is doing? Updates on that animal’s condition? We called to check on it. When we found out who was guaranteeing the dog’s bill we couldn’t figure out why so we called and asked. That is a NOVEL idea. Demanded to know why and where money is coming from. Notice nobody here is curious WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT!!??? What about that dog. That is the one dog that was actually truthfully and factually FACING EUTHANIZATION!! But you all just seem to like making stuff up about ghost animals who are shot or being put down instead of asking about the real one that almost was. Two of our people call Cornelius and the board members and asked them to find a way to get money or back pay for the employees who are still out there. We were told people have had no money since November but Cornelius tells us the money is frozen solid and she cannot get it for these people. But Cornelius and her assistant got worried about the storm coming, the baby out there and maybe no power or an ice over. Somebody ask Cornelius about the food and water and help she took out to Tearstown for the people in the trailers. We were there. That answer is a real beauty.

    THE SHOT DOG!? We called Bennett and Cornelius yesterday and again they promised that no animal has been put down. Did anyone notice the misinformation about the shot animal? Yep. Ms. Kennedy and Murbay glossed right over that big drama. Hey Spangler, why no questions fired at them about WHO told them a dog was shot and WHY had no police report been filed? WHO TOLD THEM THE STORY ABOUT THE SHOT AND PUT DOWN ANIMALS? Wonder where they heard that whopper and wonder if they realize all the fear and problems that posted lie caused us out there. Dog shot. PLEASE!

    THE “I ONLY PROVIDE LINKS ANIMAL PROGRESSIVE!” How about SSAL later is Spangler and his postings to people here that his site that only provides links to other sites. All of a sudden we see he has comments cut and pasted on his site. And he comments on them. Anyone notice he did not cut and paste these people’s misinformation comments. Why not show the SHOT animal comments or the other ones? Why not ask about the MONEY? Why not ask about who is on the accounts? Why not ask how the cats or dogs are doing? Diablo? SSAL let’s see you ask questions fair to both sides. No, SSAL only asks the hard questions to the “other side” and seems to pick on Higher Ground’s editor for posting public documents. It is not fair and you don’t speak for us.

    OH AND THE CATS!! How about the cats everyone was so worried about. Would anyone like updates on the condition of the cats? Or would you rather repeat again what we have had to read over and over and over. “If the board was so concerned why did they leave them there?” this was written over and over at this and other sites. We have never heard the board say they didn’t know. Can you people read?

    WHY WERE PEOPLE SCARED TO GO OUT THERE? Spangler since you are so excited about the one person threatened why don’t you ask about the threats called in WHILE BOTH SIDES AND ALL OF US WERE ON THE PROPERTY? Nobody wanted to go out there and treat the cats since the Jefferson County sheriff had received two reports of threats. Oh yes, one more great detail. Those calls to the sheriff about threats those came from inside the trailer. Those came from a lady who was INSIDE the trailer. We know who she is too. She is a lady we have all known and seen at Tearstown for years. A friend of Terras. While we stood there she walked out and told a sheriff that there were guns. Would you all like this site or Ms. Nichols to track those reports and threats down called to the sheriff dispatch and post those here too? Stan where is your demand of an INCIDENT report for those to help us. But these people still go out there and risk it and they do not even tell you people about the guns and the threats. We found that out with one simple phone call. Ms. Nichols, did you know about that? Have you seen or heard about those reports? The volunteers out there taking care of the cats and dogs after everyone left sure did.

    THE IGNORED COLD SNAP! Then we get a record long cold snap and possible winter storm. No way to be sure the cats stay warm. The water freezing over IN THE CAT TRAILER! Frozen assets and frozen water. Assets frozen by a bank, not the two board members. READ people. Do you people know why a bank freezes assets of a charity? Well it is called IRS, it is called payroll taxes and Alabama Industrial Relations who I think read Terra’s comments in the news about using cash to pay PAYROLL! It is called no documentation for cash. It is called a CPA asking questions. We went to board meetings along with everyone else and everyone at this site knows good and well what was going one now. Where was all the worry about the animals then? Nope, we just want them to STAY at Tearstown. Does not matter that they have no heat or water. We called are the ones who called Lee Anne and Ms. Cornelius to remove the cats! Ask us.

    MEMBERSHIP! SHADOW POST BOX AND NEW BANK ACCOUNTS! This information really got us when it came up in court Friday. What are they talking about? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, Linda (of all people) etc demand answers. Why was a new address given for donations to Tearstown? Who is this post box name in? The address that was shown on tv that Sunday when Terra held up the sign. We were all told that the two board members Lee Anne and Beverly were taking over Tearstown and had stolen the money and we had to set up that box to get money in for the animals. Is that box a Tears box? Was money sent there? Where is the new bank account? When Ms. Cornelius came to the meeting we were at before Christmas that is when we all found out about the new bank account from Terra and Sandy but still we don’t know where it is. Nichols did you hear that brought up in court? And Ms. Nichols and Birmingham New and other media people did you know the person that went running up to the attorneys when the box and hidden bank accounts were mentioned by the attorneys? Nicole Self who is supposed to be our new Treasurer and works at Compass Bank. What is going on?

    We were also told the past two weeks that the $20,000 cash was given to a Compass banker and that a former board member can prove it and clear Terra. Great where is this person? Was it given to Nicole and if so why does she not just say something and straighten this out? What former board member? Beverly or Lee Anne? Sandy? Given for what and to what person? In cash? We were told that our bank was frozen at Regions. Is it Compass, Regions who is in charge of making sure people’s money is where it is supposed to be and who is watching over it? Which is it and who is telling us the truth? We were also told this was a conspiracy between Ms. Mier and the attorneys. Now we don’t know which side to believe? How come none of us are members? We never heard of membership! We never had been invited to any membership meeting? We had been volunteering and working out there for more than two years? We weren’t invited to any meeting December 30? Who elected this new board? What is this about?

    SECURITY GUARDS AND TRAILER! Ask Cornelius, the lawyers, Ms. Lepore or Ms. Bennett about the contractor they found to fix the cat trailer. We were told a man was coming to donate fixing the trailer at the last minute so that the cats could stay and be treated in a ventilated trailer. Without ventilation the cats stay sick. Then we find out there was no insurance at this property. ZERO! And the contractor finds out about the sheriff’s reports of guns. Contractor will not go out there and risk his employees. By the way, we got mad when they did not have a security guard for Tearstown after they came in. We did not think it was fair to Terra or Alexis to have to watch the property if she was fired and we were worried she would be framed for something she did not do. We now find out that Beverly and Lee Anne tried to hire a security guard from day 1 to watch the place. But nobody would secure it since there is no insurance and the two sheriff reports involving threats against people out there. Is that true?

    And with all the questions unanswered above all you “concerned citizens” above can say is (please tell me why are they removing these animals from TEARS when TEARS can surely care for them?) (Who will take animals now?) You mean to tell us after court Friday and after all the information shared at this site and others you people still cannot figure out why the animals had to be moved and why Tearstown may close? You don’t know why TEARS is facing these issues and why everyone is trying so hard to get these very serious issues resolved. Then you are sticking your head in the sand.

    We would want to see the next answer to the next question be about the things above. We worked hard, we donated money, and we deserve some answers. No answers about future animals being rescued until some answers start being given about what was going on with the ones we did have.

    We don’t have anyone’s trust!! IF THE ANIMALS WERE OK WHY WERE FIRST ANIMALS REMOVED! You above concerned citizens do you all wonder why the sheriffs removed so many animals the first two days? We were there and watched. We know we will find out what was wrong with them when they finish. But we are not stupid. That many dogs did not show up at the last minute. Some of those dogs and cats had been there for a while, we had fed them.

    WHAT DID THEY MEAN FRIDAY WHEN THEY SAID NO KILL: We had a great question nobody answered. One of the attorneys on Terra’s side said he did not want animals dropped off at Tearstown to be taken to the humane society where they would be “killed”. All of a sudden one of the attorneys on the other side stands up and says they have witnesses prepared to give testimony about animals being put down and being euthanized at Tearstown. What exactly does that mean? We have heard and read several things that said Tearstown was a no kill shelter. Now Friday we are told low kill? What is the difference? Let’s see that question answered. Ms. Nichols or press who can answer that for us? Who put animals down at Tearstown? The board ladies or Terra or who? How many? Is this documented?

    We want to hear from some of the people that were in that courtroom and heard what we heard and saw what we saw. Our donations and our support for now are stopped. And that includes cash out there! We want answers to questions we heard raised in that courtroom and in this situation at this charity. We are tired of the red herrings put up by people. Ask fair questions and start answering them. We do not want to hear from Cornelius, their side, or whatever side she is on anymore. We want to read statements from Terra or our official spokesperson! We are tired of sticking up for this mess and then find out what we said is not true. This is embarrassing and we should have better answers coming from our side.

    TEARS is not Terra Cotromano. Way too many people have made this about Terra. It is about the animals. Start showing that you care about these animals and start asking the questions that will help the animals and the volunteers who worked with them and for them and who are now are not sure what the truth is and are beginning to feel betrayed.

    Nichols, thank you for the public documents. Had we not looked at them ourselves we would have never known and your site has lead us to people we can call. And people wonder why the internet is taking over the mainstream media! Guess it is because you get more information.

    Signed
    The neutral volunteers at Tearstown who feel caught in the middle.

  60. ssal / Jan 19 2010 3:36 PM

    TO All:

    Whether you oppose or support Terra and/or TEARS, I recommend you view the brief comments that were made by about half of the 71 signers (to date) of a petition for Terra Cotromano and TEARS:
    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/for-terra-cotromano-and-tears/signatures-page1.html

    • truthNjustice / Jan 20 2010 12:03 AM

      I am very interested, and still waiting I might add, for some heartfelt, hopefully truthful answers from the “other side” that will address each of the points raised by the group of volunteers in posts #23 and #28 – what say you “other side”?

      • ssal / Jan 20 2010 3:03 AM

        Sorry, “truthNjustic,” I just honestly don’t believe that post (repeated twice now by Ms. Nichols) was written by a group of “neutral volunteers at Tearstown,” and I feel confident that other reasonably intelligent, truth-minded people who read it will also not believe such.

  61. Victoria Nichols / Jan 19 2010 11:34 AM

    Mr. Spangler,

    Ha! Ha! Ha! I received numerous emails asking if YOU were the author :)

    Seriously: Your apparent attempt to diminish the genuine published desire of ‘The Neutral Volunteers’ to get answers to their concerns is unfortunate.

    Your attempt at deflection is an ineffective tactic.

    People want to know the truth about the TEARS situation. If you are unable to assist to that end; please kindly step-aside and stop mucking-up the pathway.

    • ssal / Jan 19 2010 1:14 PM

      Ms. Nichols:

      Could those perhaps be emails you sent to yourself?

  62. ssal / Jan 19 2010 2:40 AM

    Ms. Nichols:

    By any chance, are YOU the author of this post by “The neutral volunteers at Tearstown who feel caught in the middle.”?

  63. Victoria Nichols / Jan 18 2010 11:49 PM

    I am quoting this post so that it can remain prominent here.

    Neutral Volunteers at Tearstown :

    Higher Ground and sent to all press:

    This post is from a group of volunteers who want some answers. Thank you for being a place that has been willing to allow everyone to comment, for posting public documents, and for getting answers to questions that have appeared here. You have demonstrated not just to us but to many people who have never seen this site or met you that you are willing to allow people to be heard even if you do not agree with them. We had not seen your site before the TEARS stuff started and while we may not agree with everything on it we will always appreciate your willingness to let everyone contribute information on this site.

    The comments listed in #6 including (cant wait to see what Ms. Nichol’s comes up with) speak for themselves. You only shared info that was already shared by the official spokespeople or others or maybe heard by you in court. One of us serves on a nonprofit board that has members and one of us is an officer of that board. We are not sure, but doubt that the person in comment 6 has any idea of the difference between a membership organization or any other kind. Our Board Chairman signs our Form 990 and we have to sign a paper saying that we have had a chance to look over it once a year. The person in #6 speaks of the TEARS board as if she has every fact about the issue and you can tell she does not. If she had just once simply looked at the information returns posted here she would know what many others have already seen there and suddenly realized.

    Some of us have been to this website and others every day since this mess started and have seen question after question fired at the board members, answered by them, and spokesperson Cornelius. We were Terra supporters. We have been out at Tearstown almost every day since this happened and one of us was in court Friday on her side. Friday was the first time we realized that there were not going to be any answers coming out from Terra or the attorneys for what we call the NEW board. Now we want to see some hard questions put to Terra and the new or real board as they call it or their spokesperson. Is that Debbie?

    PAYING FOR ATTORNEYS! So we find out that the other side’s people are working for free or pro bono. Cornelius answered the question about her contract and her pay January 1, 2, and 4th to three people from our side who emailed her directly. Our group was sent a forwarded copy of her reply but then we see Nicole Self our new Treasurer asking the same question at this site again. Did someone in our group not tell Nicole what we already knew? She is on our site. Why would she post that question again a week later? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, etc when are you or anyone else going to ask who is paying for the attorneys that were on our side of the courtroom. We can’t even get a clear answer on which attorney is representing who or what. Are they representing Terra, the new board, or Tearstown animals or what? We still have not gotten a clear answer whether Terra has her own attorney. We think it is a fair question to ask. Who is paying for those 3 attorneys and who do they represent?

    CASH WITHDRAWALS! Why has neither Terra or someone from our side not provided receipts or an explanation to show where the cash withdrawals in 2008 (mentioned in about every Birmingham News article and on every TV station) went? Ask. And don’t tell us payroll. How will we know what CASH withdrawn over 2008 had paid for? If it is payroll then show us the signed receipts from the people who got paid? How do we know it did not go to something else if it was CASH? That should be pretty simple to explain to us shouldn’t it? Only thing we keep being told is that Ms. Lepore, Ms. Ballard, and Ms. Bennett knew about it. Knew what about what? About cash payroll? Fine, show us paperwork showing it. Does Ms. Lepore have it? Did Ms. Lepore split cash with Terra? None of us understand.

    $20,000 CHECK! That was the first thing we heard out at TEARS that first night December 30 on the television. How about a receipt or some explanation in writing for a $20,000 check made out to cash. Is there a copy of a check somewhere made out to cash? None of sees how that could be true. Banks would never cash a check made out to cash for that amount and especially if the check had TEARS on it. Did it? How in this world would a person cash a check made out to cash for $20,000.00? You have got to be kidding. A check made out to cash for that amount at a charity. Who signed it? Did either one of the two board ladies have access to this account? Did Sandy? Did one of them sign it? We all think that should be easily answered and fast. Spangler, Murbay, Kennedy, Self others where is that question posted to Terra or somebody by you? Someone answer! No receipt for that check. Well at least give us a dummies a verbal answer of what it was used for? That check and the cash withdrawals have been discussed on every newscast and not once have our people gotten an answer or demanded someone to address it. Not on a single blog or broadcast have they asked Terra or whoever on our side (Hey we believe in you just show the receipts or tell the public what this was for and clear this thing right on up so we can all get back to the animals! You used it for the animals, right? It is a public charity so this is all completely reasonable to ask, right? We don’t have a double standard here right? We have been told all kinds of things about the exact same things with Steve Smith at the Birmingham shelter and Jackie Mier at the Birmingham humane society and the Gilbert woman at the national humane society for years (at least since Eagle) so we have to show them we are willing to be as open as we asked them to be right? Right? No?

    You are all hypocrites. Maybe I should say we are all hypocrites.

    HOW ABOUT THE DIABLO CRISIS! Joanne you have been around Tears a long time. You posted and posted to Cornelius about this dog Diablo. Joanne we all know which dog Diablo is. Post after post. We called Ms. Cornelius and asked about this dog. She and her assistant spent a week tracking down the dog. Telephone, emails, papers, photos and her driving around the state looking for DIABLO. Well she found Diablo, posted it at this site and others for you to call and get answers. We called Cornelius. Oh by the way to my surprise she actually gave me all of us her email and telephone and same to the media and our TEARS group. She has been refreshingly open and available. She has talked to Debbie many times and others from our group and always tried to help them get answers. Interestingly enough, none of the above “people concerned with animals” at this site once followed up and asked if she had heard from Ms. Kennedy to get an update on FINDING DIABLO. By the way we have emailed her about it and many other things. She has not gotten any reply at this site or her email from Ms. Kennedy.

    THE DOG THAT WAS ALMOST PUT DOWN AT TEARS! Cornelius or someone mentioned it earlier in here or some other site. There were about 10 to 15 people standing at Tearstown when this one came up. Anybody care to know how that animal is doing? Updates on that animal’s condition? We called to check on it. When we found out who was guaranteeing the dog’s bill we couldn’t figure out why so we called and asked. That is a NOVEL idea. Demanded to know why and where money is coming from. Notice nobody here is curious WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT!!??? What about that dog. That is the one dog that was actually truthfully and factually FACING EUTHANIZATION!! But you all just seem to like making stuff up about ghost animals who are shot or being put down instead of asking about the real one that almost was. Two of our people call Cornelius and the board members and asked them to find a way to get money or back pay for the employees who are still out there. We were told people have had no money since November but Cornelius tells us the money is frozen solid and she cannot get it for these people. But Cornelius and her assistant got worried about the storm coming, the baby out there and maybe no power or an ice over. Somebody ask Cornelius about the food and water and help she took out to Tearstown for the people in the trailers. We were there. That answer is a real beauty.

    THE SHOT DOG!? We called Bennett and Cornelius yesterday and again they promised that no animal has been put down. Did anyone notice the misinformation about the shot animal? Yep. Ms. Kennedy and Murbay glossed right over that big drama. Hey Spangler, why no questions fired at them about WHO told them a dog was shot and WHY had no police report been filed? WHO TOLD THEM THE STORY ABOUT THE SHOT AND PUT DOWN ANIMALS? Wonder where they heard that whopper and wonder if they realize all the fear and problems that posted lie caused us out there. Dog shot. PLEASE!

    THE “I ONLY PROVIDE LINKS ANIMAL PROGRESSIVE!” How about SSAL later is Spangler and his postings to people here that his site that only provides links to other sites. All of a sudden we see he has comments cut and pasted on his site. And he comments on them. Anyone notice he did not cut and paste these people’s misinformation comments. Why not show the SHOT animal comments or the other ones? Why not ask about the MONEY? Why not ask about who is on the accounts? Why not ask how the cats or dogs are doing? Diablo? SSAL let’s see you ask questions fair to both sides. No, SSAL only asks the hard questions to the “other side” and seems to pick on Higher Ground’s editor for posting public documents. It is not fair and you don’t speak for us.

    OH AND THE CATS!! How about the cats everyone was so worried about. Would anyone like updates on the condition of the cats? Or would you rather repeat again what we have had to read over and over and over. “If the board was so concerned why did they leave them there?” this was written over and over at this and other sites. We have never heard the board say they didn’t know. Can you people read?

    WHY WERE PEOPLE SCARED TO GO OUT THERE? Spangler since you are so excited about the one person threatened why don’t you ask about the threats called in WHILE BOTH SIDES AND ALL OF US WERE ON THE PROPERTY? Nobody wanted to go out there and treat the cats since the Jefferson County sheriff had received two reports of threats. Oh yes, one more great detail. Those calls to the sheriff about threats those came from inside the trailer. Those came from a lady who was INSIDE the trailer. We know who she is too. She is a lady we have all known and seen at Tearstown for years. A friend of Terras. While we stood there she walked out and told a sheriff that there were guns. Would you all like this site or Ms. Nichols to track those reports and threats down called to the sheriff dispatch and post those here too? Stan where is your demand of an INCIDENT report for those to help us. But these people still go out there and risk it and they do not even tell you people about the guns and the threats. We found that out with one simple phone call. Ms. Nichols, did you know about that? Have you seen or heard about those reports? The volunteers out there taking care of the cats and dogs after everyone left sure did.

    THE IGNORED COLD SNAP! Then we get a record long cold snap and possible winter storm. No way to be sure the cats stay warm. The water freezing over IN THE CAT TRAILER! Frozen assets and frozen water. Assets frozen by a bank, not the two board members. READ people. Do you people know why a bank freezes assets of a charity? Well it is called IRS, it is called payroll taxes and Alabama Industrial Relations who I think read Terra’s comments in the news about using cash to pay PAYROLL! It is called no documentation for cash. It is called a CPA asking questions. We went to board meetings along with everyone else and everyone at this site knows good and well what was going one now. Where was all the worry about the animals then? Nope, we just want them to STAY at Tearstown. Does not matter that they have no heat or water. We called are the ones who called Lee Anne and Ms. Cornelius to remove the cats! Ask us.

    MEMBERSHIP! SHADOW POST BOX AND NEW BANK ACCOUNTS! This information really got us when it came up in court Friday. What are they talking about? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, Linda (of all people) etc demand answers. Why was a new address given for donations to Tearstown? Who is this post box name in? The address that was shown on tv that Sunday when Terra held up the sign. We were all told that the two board members Lee Anne and Beverly were taking over Tearstown and had stolen the money and we had to set up that box to get money in for the animals. Is that box a Tears box? Was money sent there? Where is the new bank account? When Ms. Cornelius came to the meeting we were at before Christmas that is when we all found out about the new bank account from Terra and Sandy but still we don’t know where it is. Nichols did you hear that brought up in court? And Ms. Nichols and Birmingham New and other media people did you know the person that went running up to the attorneys when the box and hidden bank accounts were mentioned by the attorneys? Nicole Self who is supposed to be our new Treasurer and works at Compass Bank. What is going on?

    We were also told the past two weeks that the $20,000 cash was given to a Compass banker and that a former board member can prove it and clear Terra. Great where is this person? Was it given to Nicole and if so why does she not just say something and straighten this out? What former board member? Beverly or Lee Anne? Sandy? Given for what and to what person? In cash? We were told that our bank was frozen at Regions. Is it Compass, Regions who is in charge of making sure people’s money is where it is supposed to be and who is watching over it? Which is it and who is telling us the truth? We were also told this was a conspiracy between Ms. Mier and the attorneys. Now we don’t know which side to believe? How come none of us are members? We never heard of membership! We never had been invited to any membership meeting? We had been volunteering and working out there for more than two years? We weren’t invited to any meeting December 30? Who elected this new board? What is this about?

    SECURITY GUARDS AND TRAILER! Ask Cornelius, the lawyers, Ms. Lepore or Ms. Bennett about the contractor they found to fix the cat trailer. We were told a man was coming to donate fixing the trailer at the last minute so that the cats could stay and be treated in a ventilated trailer. Without ventilation the cats stay sick. Then we find out there was no insurance at this property. ZERO! And the contractor finds out about the sheriff’s reports of guns. Contractor will not go out there and risk his employees. By the way, we got mad when they did not have a security guard for Tearstown after they came in. We did not think it was fair to Terra or Alexis to have to watch the property if she was fired and we were worried she would be framed for something she did not do. We now find out that Beverly and Lee Anne tried to hire a security guard from day 1 to watch the place. But nobody would secure it since there is no insurance and the two sheriff reports involving threats against people out there. Is that true?

    And with all the questions unanswered above all you “concerned citizens” above can say is (please tell me why are they removing these animals from TEARS when TEARS can surely care for them?) (Who will take animals now?) You mean to tell us after court Friday and after all the information shared at this site and others you people still cannot figure out why the animals had to be moved and why Tearstown may close? You don’t know why TEARS is facing these issues and why everyone is trying so hard to get these very serious issues resolved. Then you are sticking your head in the sand.

    We would want to see the next answer to the next question be about the things above. We worked hard, we donated money, and we deserve some answers. No answers about future animals being rescued until some answers start being given about what was going on with the ones we did have.

    We don’t have anyone’s trust!! IF THE ANIMALS WERE OK WHY WERE FIRST ANIMALS REMOVED! You above concerned citizens do you all wonder why the sheriffs removed so many animals the first two days? We were there and watched. We know we will find out what was wrong with them when they finish. But we are not stupid. That many dogs did not show up at the last minute. Some of those dogs and cats had been there for a while, we had fed them.

    WHAT DID THEY MEAN FRIDAY WHEN THEY SAID NO KILL: We had a great question nobody answered. One of the attorneys on Terra’s side said he did not want animals dropped off at Tearstown to be taken to the humane society where they would be “killed”. All of a sudden one of the attorneys on the other side stands up and says they have witnesses prepared to give testimony about animals being put down and being euthanized at Tearstown. What exactly does that mean? We have heard and read several things that said Tearstown was a no kill shelter. Now Friday we are told low kill? What is the difference? Let’s see that question answered. Ms. Nichols or press who can answer that for us? Who put animals down at Tearstown? The board ladies or Terra or who? How many? Is this documented?

    We want to hear from some of the people that were in that courtroom and heard what we heard and saw what we saw. Our donations and our support for now are stopped. And that includes cash out there! We want answers to questions we heard raised in that courtroom and in this situation at this charity. We are tired of the red herrings put up by people. Ask fair questions and start answering them. We do not want to hear from Cornelius, their side, or whatever side she is on anymore. We want to read statements from Terra or our official spokesperson! We are tired of sticking up for this mess and then find out what we said is not true. This is embarrassing and we should have better answers coming from our side.

    TEARS is not Terra Cotromano. Way too many people have made this about Terra. It is about the animals. Start showing that you care about these animals and start asking the questions that will help the animals and the volunteers who worked with them and for them and who are now are not sure what the truth is and are beginning to feel betrayed.

    Nichols, thank you for the public documents. Had we not looked at them ourselves we would have never known and your site has lead us to people we can call. And people wonder why the internet is taking over the mainstream media! Guess it is because you get more information.

    Signed
    The neutral volunteers at Tearstown who feel caught in the middle.

  64. Victoria Nichols / Jan 18 2010 11:17 PM

    Due to techical difficulties with Allison’s Internet Explorer, she has asked me to post the following for her.

    Ms. Nichols and PITA:

    Hesitantly I answer any question after comment 23 for fear I might take up room from the official spokeperson or person who might answer the questions posed there.But I have agreed to answer questions when they are asked so once again I will try.

    The board members did not shoot the video. The video was taken by a volunteer in early November and its use is by her permission and her discretion. The video was one of several things that had happened to cause the board members and volunteers to go to the property and to the cattrailer the afternoon of December 13th (police report). The board members have never said they were unaware of conditions at Tears. They have said when they tried to address conditions they were stopped.

    I cannot repeat everything due to time, but by the time the board members got the TRO on December 30 there were several very serious additional issues happening simultaneously (see previous media and comments). Once the TRO was issued, the media of course started. There were many people who had been told about the November cat video and members of the media as well as
    members of the public began asking if a video existed and requesting a copy of the video. The board members requested a copy of the video from Ms. Jackson in digital format and asked if they could release it. She provided it. When the board members released it they were aware that it did not depict what they and the other volunteers saw December 13th. It also did not match what I and several others saw the night of December 30th, the day of December 31st, January 1st, and so on.

    The November video is one piece of a larger picture. A few people thought the video was the sole reason Tears was assessed. It was not. The video and statements of volunteers over a period of time was the impetus for the December 13th event. The board members and volunteers who went to Tears December 13th to try and help the cats believe that what happened that night corroborates what they had been trying to say for months – – that allegedly, when somone did try to independently assess or get help for the cats, they were met with threatening behavior and serious onsequences.

    One comment received on the video page was a threat made to a person that is not included as a client in this case but who was involved in the video. That is all the board members have been told. The board members have been assured that the victim is now pursuing the matter. It is not the board members issue to discuss or comment about. It is the victim’s.

    The video still exists. Ms. Jackson may allow someone else to post her video under their name if she wishes. The video is one small piece of a much bigger issue.

    The answers to the questions posed in Comment 23 will help you far more than the cat video. I would suggest waiting for law enforcement’s investigation results before forming an opinion about the condition of the animals. If you were there two weeks before December 30th that would be about Mid-December and that would be about the time of the December 13th incident.

    This answer to #25 is my last repeat and my last post until we learn something new. All we are seeing now is repeats of very old issues (with the exception of the comment #23 above of course). The board members feel they have reached their goal of answering questions candidly and openly within a spirit of transparency and to help the animals in their care. The board members have asked me to thank all who took time to ask and listen and mostly to thank those who helped during the cold.

    We are going to wait to see who gives the folks at #23 some answers. We don’t want to take up space or distract from their concerns.

    Thank you.
    Allison Black Cornelius
    BlackBOARD

  65. pita7763 / Jan 18 2010 7:49 PM

    Victoria, though until now I have not posted any comments here, yes, I have been to the TEARS property. In fact I was there just a week or two before everything went to hell there.

    Either my IQ has suddenly dropped dramatically for no apparent reason or I am completely missing something here. This morning I realized, as well as some others have recently, that all of the videos that had accompanied the January 2, 2010, “TEARS” press release entitled “Board Members of TEARS Release Video of Cats in Crisis” had been deleted by the user. And immediately I started wondering why. Obviously someone else did as well because they asked about it at least twice before anyone would address the questions. First of all the January 2nd press release clearly stated that “The video was shot by volunteer Danyell Jackson…” Therefore, I’m going to assume (oh how I hate that word) that the videos belong to her and that she has the right to keep them posted for viewing or to remove them. But I think that if I were searching the Internet for information regarding TEARS and I came across a press release stating that the “board members” were not only making claims verbally and/or in print of animal cruelty at TEARS, but had also released a video to support their claims (Heck, even the heading of their press release states that they have released the video) I would definitely be interested in reading it and seeing it. And when I got to the end of the press release and saw the links where I could see the actual footage of the conditions these four people were claiming to have seen, I would have wanted to see for myself the three video clips to see if what I was looking at and what I was being told were anywhere even close to being the same thing. And after I had clinked on all three video links and each time was directed to a youtube page that stated, “This video has been removed by the user” the credibility of these people who had made such serious claims would be highly suspect for me from that point on. But what makes me question whether I’m just having a very long “blonde moment” or is it that I have overlooked something while sometimes skimming over some of the post here, is the explanation that has been given here as to why those videos were removed. The explanation given here makes absolutely no sense whatsoever…at least not to me. What difference does it make whether the video is posted for viewing or not? According to your explanation you would have us all believe that the press release article which was seemingly informative (notice I said informative…not truthful – because I don’t yet know that it is truthful or not) and was pretty clear and descriptive in what the “board” claims they saw and experienced on December 13, 2009, and apparently no one was threatened due the press release article itself. Yet by your explanation once the video is added (which supposedly depicted what had already been claimed in the press release article) that single act alone pushes someone (who I assume has already read the press release without incident) into such a rage that they actually threaten to harm someone else. Is it just me who finds the explanation we are being given for the video being removed slightly askew? And if it is just me, then someone please try to help me connect the dots because thus far the explanation being given here for the removal of the videos is just not rationale.

    • Victoria Nichols / Jan 18 2010 8:46 PM

      From Post #14:

      “And finally in response to the video shot by Danyell Jackson being taken down: A copy was given to the board members. The video was taken down because an individual was threatened. The video is the property of Danyell Jackson. She can post or re-post it if she wishes. Having it up is not worth risking violence. Perhaps she or others will find another way to post or share it if asked.”

      From Post #18:

      “An individual was threatened. The person has reported to us that they have taken necessary precautions and made approrpiate reports. That is all I know about why the video was taken down.”

      I am unsure why you consider this posted information “not rational[e].”

      In my opinion, this question has been asked and answered.

      Victoria ~

  66. nicole self / Jan 18 2010 3:01 PM

    To the neutral volunteers:
    I’m not aware of any site that has provided information regarding who is paying for the attorneys. Did someone email me with a site and I missed that?

    Regarding the notes passed to the three attorneys during court, yes, I did ask them some questions of my own, regarding the mailbox.

    Like you, I have lots of quesitons, many that may never be answered, but I pray that for the sake of the animals it can all be resolved to their benefit.

  67. Neutral Volunteers at Tearstown / Jan 18 2010 1:18 PM

    Higher Ground and sent to all press:

    This post is from a group of volunteers who want some answers. Thank you for being a place that has been willing to allow everyone to comment, for posting public documents, and for getting answers to questions that have appeared here. You have demonstrated not just to us but to many people who have never seen this site or met you that you are willing to allow people to be heard even if you do not agree with them. We had not seen your site before the TEARS stuff started and while we may not agree with everything on it we will always appreciate your willingness to let everyone contribute information on this site.

    The comments listed in #6 including (cant wait to see what Ms. Nichol’s comes up with) speak for themselves. You only shared info that was already shared by the official spokespeople or others or maybe heard by you in court. One of us serves on a nonprofit board that has members and one of us is an officer of that board. We are not sure, but doubt that the person in comment 6 has any idea of the difference between a membership organization or any other kind. Our Board Chairman signs our Form 990 and we have to sign a paper saying that we have had a chance to look over it once a year. The person in #6 speaks of the TEARS board as if she has every fact about the issue and you can tell she does not. If she had just once simply looked at the information returns posted here she would know what many others have already seen there and suddenly realized.

    Some of us have been to this website and others every day since this mess started and have seen question after question fired at the board members, answered by them, and spokesperson Cornelius. We were Terra supporters. We have been out at Tearstown almost every day since this happened and one of us was in court Friday on her side. Friday was the first time we realized that there were not going to be any answers coming out from Terra or the attorneys for what we call the NEW board. Now we want to see some hard questions put to Terra and the new or real board as they call it or their spokesperson. Is that Debbie?

    PAYING FOR ATTORNEYS! So we find out that the other side’s people are working for free or pro bono. Cornelius answered the question about her contract and her pay January 1, 2, and 4th to three people from our side who emailed her directly. Our group was sent a forwarded copy of her reply but then we see Nicole Self our new Treasurer asking the same question at this site again. Did someone in our group not tell Nicole what we already knew? She is on our site. Why would she post that question again a week later? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, etc when are you or anyone else going to ask who is paying for the attorneys that were on our side of the courtroom. We can’t even get a clear answer on which attorney is representing who or what. Are they representing Terra, the new board, or Tearstown animals or what? We still have not gotten a clear answer whether Terra has her own attorney. We think it is a fair question to ask. Who is paying for those 3 attorneys and who do they represent?

    CASH WITHDRAWALS! Why has neither Terra or someone from our side not provided receipts or an explanation to show where the cash withdrawals in 2008 (mentioned in about every Birmingham News article and on every TV station) went? Ask. And don’t tell us payroll. How will we know what CASH withdrawn over 2008 had paid for? If it is payroll then show us the signed receipts from the people who got paid? How do we know it did not go to something else if it was CASH? That should be pretty simple to explain to us shouldn’t it? Only thing we keep being told is that Ms. Lepore, Ms. Ballard, and Ms. Bennett knew about it. Knew what about what? About cash payroll? Fine, show us paperwork showing it. Does Ms. Lepore have it? Did Ms. Lepore split cash with Terra? None of us understand.

    $20,000 CHECK! That was the first thing we heard out at TEARS that first night December 30 on the television. How about a receipt or some explanation in writing for a $20,000 check made out to cash. Is there a copy of a check somewhere made out to cash? None of sees how that could be true. Banks would never cash a check made out to cash for that amount and especially if the check had TEARS on it. Did it? How in this world would a person cash a check made out to cash for $20,000.00? You have got to be kidding. A check made out to cash for that amount at a charity. Who signed it? Did either one of the two board ladies have access to this account? Did Sandy? Did one of them sign it? We all think that should be easily answered and fast. Spangler, Murbay, Kennedy, Self others where is that question posted to Terra or somebody by you? Someone answer! No receipt for that check. Well at least give us a dummies a verbal answer of what it was used for? That check and the cash withdrawals have been discussed on every newscast and not once have our people gotten an answer or demanded someone to address it. Not on a single blog or broadcast have they asked Terra or whoever on our side (Hey we believe in you just show the receipts or tell the public what this was for and clear this thing right on up so we can all get back to the animals! You used it for the animals, right? It is a public charity so this is all completely reasonable to ask, right? We don’t have a double standard here right? We have been told all kinds of things about the exact same things with Steve Smith at the Birmingham shelter and Jackie Mier at the Birmingham humane society and the Gilbert woman at the national humane society for years (at least since Eagle) so we have to show them we are willing to be as open as we asked them to be right? Right? No?

    You are all hypocrites. Maybe I should say we are all hypocrites.

    HOW ABOUT THE DIABLO CRISIS! Joanne you have been around Tears a long time. You posted and posted to Cornelius about this dog Diablo. Joanne we all know which dog Diablo is. Post after post. We called Ms. Cornelius and asked about this dog. She and her assistant spent a week tracking down the dog. Telephone, emails, papers, photos and her driving around the state looking for DIABLO. Well she found Diablo, posted it at this site and others for you to call and get answers. We called Cornelius. Oh by the way to my surprise she actually gave me all of us her email and telephone and same to the media and our TEARS group. She has been refreshingly open and available. She has talked to Debbie many times and others from our group and always tried to help them get answers. Interestingly enough, none of the above “people concerned with animals” at this site once followed up and asked if she had heard from Ms. Kennedy to get an update on FINDING DIABLO. By the way we have emailed her about it and many other things. She has not gotten any reply at this site or her email from Ms. Kennedy.

    THE DOG THAT WAS ALMOST PUT DOWN AT TEARS! Cornelius or someone mentioned it earlier in here or some other site. There were about 10 to 15 people standing at Tearstown when this one came up. Anybody care to know how that animal is doing? Updates on that animal’s condition? We called to check on it. When we found out who was guaranteeing the dog’s bill we couldn’t figure out why so we called and asked. That is a NOVEL idea. Demanded to know why and where money is coming from. Notice nobody here is curious WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT!!??? What about that dog. That is the one dog that was actually truthfully and factually FACING EUTHANIZATION!! But you all just seem to like making stuff up about ghost animals who are shot or being put down instead of asking about the real one that almost was. Two of our people call Cornelius and the board members and asked them to find a way to get money or back pay for the employees who are still out there. We were told people have had no money since November but Cornelius tells us the money is frozen solid and she cannot get it for these people. But Cornelius and her assistant got worried about the storm coming, the baby out there and maybe no power or an ice over. Somebody ask Cornelius about the food and water and help she took out to Tearstown for the people in the trailers. We were there. That answer is a real beauty.

    THE SHOT DOG!? We called Bennett and Cornelius yesterday and again they promised that no animal has been put down. Did anyone notice the misinformation about the shot animal? Yep. Ms. Kennedy and Murbay glossed right over that big drama. Hey Spangler, why no questions fired at them about WHO told them a dog was shot and WHY had no police report been filed? WHO TOLD THEM THE STORY ABOUT THE SHOT AND PUT DOWN ANIMALS? Wonder where they heard that whopper and wonder if they realize all the fear and problems that posted lie caused us out there. Dog shot. PLEASE!

    THE “I ONLY PROVIDE LINKS ANIMAL PROGRESSIVE!” How about SSAL later is Spangler and his postings to people here that his site that only provides links to other sites. All of a sudden we see he has comments cut and pasted on his site. And he comments on them. Anyone notice he did not cut and paste these people’s misinformation comments. Why not show the SHOT animal comments or the other ones? Why not ask about the MONEY? Why not ask about who is on the accounts? Why not ask how the cats or dogs are doing? Diablo? SSAL let’s see you ask questions fair to both sides. No, SSAL only asks the hard questions to the “other side” and seems to pick on Higher Ground’s editor for posting public documents. It is not fair and you don’t speak for us.

    OH AND THE CATS!! How about the cats everyone was so worried about. Would anyone like updates on the condition of the cats? Or would you rather repeat again what we have had to read over and over and over. “If the board was so concerned why did they leave them there?” this was written over and over at this and other sites. We have never heard the board say they didn’t know. Can you people read?

    WHY WERE PEOPLE SCARED TO GO OUT THERE? Spangler since you are so excited about the one person threatened why don’t you ask about the threats called in WHILE BOTH SIDES AND ALL OF US WERE ON THE PROPERTY? Nobody wanted to go out there and treat the cats since the Jefferson County sheriff had received two reports of threats. Oh yes, one more great detail. Those calls to the sheriff about threats those came from inside the trailer. Those came from a lady who was INSIDE the trailer. We know who she is too. She is a lady we have all known and seen at Tearstown for years. A friend of Terras. While we stood there she walked out and told a sheriff that there were guns. Would you all like this site or Ms. Nichols to track those reports and threats down called to the sheriff dispatch and post those here too? Stan where is your demand of an INCIDENT report for those to help us. But these people still go out there and risk it and they do not even tell you people about the guns and the threats. We found that out with one simple phone call. Ms. Nichols, did you know about that? Have you seen or heard about those reports? The volunteers out there taking care of the cats and dogs after everyone left sure did.

    THE IGNORED COLD SNAP! Then we get a record long cold snap and possible winter storm. No way to be sure the cats stay warm. The water freezing over IN THE CAT TRAILER! Frozen assets and frozen water. Assets frozen by a bank, not the two board members. READ people. Do you people know why a bank freezes assets of a charity? Well it is called IRS, it is called payroll taxes and Alabama Industrial Relations who I think read Terra’s comments in the news about using cash to pay PAYROLL! It is called no documentation for cash. It is called a CPA asking questions. We went to board meetings along with everyone else and everyone at this site knows good and well what was going one now. Where was all the worry about the animals then? Nope, we just want them to STAY at Tearstown. Does not matter that they have no heat or water. We called are the ones who called Lee Anne and Ms. Cornelius to remove the cats! Ask us.

    MEMBERSHIP! SHADOW POST BOX AND NEW BANK ACCOUNTS! This information really got us when it came up in court Friday. What are they talking about? Spangler, Kennedy, Murbay, Linda (of all people) etc demand answers. Why was a new address given for donations to Tearstown? Who is this post box name in? The address that was shown on tv that Sunday when Terra held up the sign. We were all told that the two board members Lee Anne and Beverly were taking over Tearstown and had stolen the money and we had to set up that box to get money in for the animals. Is that box a Tears box? Was money sent there? Where is the new bank account? When Ms. Cornelius came to the meeting we were at before Christmas that is when we all found out about the new bank account from Terra and Sandy but still we don’t know where it is. Nichols did you hear that brought up in court? And Ms. Nichols and Birmingham New and other media people did you know the person that went running up to the attorneys when the box and hidden bank accounts were mentioned by the attorneys? Nicole Self who is supposed to be our new Treasurer and works at Compass Bank. What is going on?

    We were also told the past two weeks that the $20,000 cash was given to a Compass banker and that a former board member can prove it and clear Terra. Great where is this person? Was it given to Nicole and if so why does she not just say something and straighten this out? What former board member? Beverly or Lee Anne? Sandy? Given for what and to what person? In cash? We were told that our bank was frozen at Regions. Is it Compass, Regions who is in charge of making sure people’s money is where it is supposed to be and who is watching over it? Which is it and who is telling us the truth? We were also told this was a conspiracy between Ms. Mier and the attorneys. Now we don’t know which side to believe? How come none of us are members? We never heard of membership! We never had been invited to any membership meeting? We had been volunteering and working out there for more than two years? We weren’t invited to any meeting December 30? Who elected this new board? What is this about?

    SECURITY GUARDS AND TRAILER! Ask Cornelius, the lawyers, Ms. Lepore or Ms. Bennett about the contractor they found to fix the cat trailer. We were told a man was coming to donate fixing the trailer at the last minute so that the cats could stay and be treated in a ventilated trailer. Without ventilation the cats stay sick. Then we find out there was no insurance at this property. ZERO! And the contractor finds out about the sheriff’s reports of guns. Contractor will not go out there and risk his employees. By the way, we got mad when they did not have a security guard for Tearstown after they came in. We did not think it was fair to Terra or Alexis to have to watch the property if she was fired and we were worried she would be framed for something she did not do. We now find out that Beverly and Lee Anne tried to hire a security guard from day 1 to watch the place. But nobody would secure it since there is no insurance and the two sheriff reports involving threats against people out there. Is that true?

    And with all the questions unanswered above all you “concerned citizens” above can say is (please tell me why are they removing these animals from TEARS when TEARS can surely care for them?) (Who will take animals now?) You mean to tell us after court Friday and after all the information shared at this site and others you people still cannot figure out why the animals had to be moved and why Tearstown may close? You don’t know why TEARS is facing these issues and why everyone is trying so hard to get these very serious issues resolved. Then you are sticking your head in the sand.

    We would want to see the next answer to the next question be about the things above. We worked hard, we donated money, and we deserve some answers. No answers about future animals being rescued until some answers start being given about what was going on with the ones we did have.

    We don’t have anyone’s trust!! IF THE ANIMALS WERE OK WHY WERE FIRST ANIMALS REMOVED! You above concerned citizens do you all wonder why the sheriffs removed so many animals the first two days? We were there and watched. We know we will find out what was wrong with them when they finish. But we are not stupid. That many dogs did not show up at the last minute. Some of those dogs and cats had been there for a while, we had fed them.

    WHAT DID THEY MEAN FRIDAY WHEN THEY SAID NO KILL: We had a great question nobody answered. One of the attorneys on Terra’s side said he did not want animals dropped off at Tearstown to be taken to the humane society where they would be “killed”. All of a sudden one of the attorneys on the other side stands up and says they have witnesses prepared to give testimony about animals being put down and being euthanized at Tearstown. What exactly does that mean? We have heard and read several things that said Tearstown was a no kill shelter. Now Friday we are told low kill? What is the difference? Let’s see that question answered. Ms. Nichols or press who can answer that for us? Who put animals down at Tearstown? The board ladies or Terra or who? How many? Is this documented?

    We want to hear from some of the people that were in that courtroom and heard what we heard and saw what we saw. Our donations and our support for now are stopped. And that includes cash out there! We want answers to questions we heard raised in that courtroom and in this situation at this charity. We are tired of the red herrings put up by people. Ask fair questions and start answering them. We do not want to hear from Cornelius, their side, or whatever side she is on anymore. We want to read statements from Terra or our official spokesperson! We are tired of sticking up for this mess and then find out what we said is not true. This is embarrassing and we should have better answers coming from our side.

    TEARS is not Terra Cotromano. Way too many people have made this about Terra. It is about the animals. Start showing that you care about these animals and start asking the questions that will help the animals and the volunteers who worked with them and for them and who are now are not sure what the truth is and are beginning to feel betrayed.

    Nichols, thank you for the public documents. Had we not looked at them ourselves we would have never known and your site has lead us to people we can call. And people wonder why the internet is taking over the mainstream media! Guess it is because you get more information.

    Signed
    The neutral volunteers at Tearstown who feel caught in the middle.

    • murbay / Feb 1 2010 3:57 PM

      Your post is way to long and hard to read.
      Nice to see you Bama. You do not sound like a neutral volunteer

  68. Linda Bailey / Jan 18 2010 11:19 AM

    WHO WILL PICK UP INJURED ANIMALS IN THE BIRMINGHAM AREA?

    The AKC breed rescue database lists breed rescue groups that will take purebred dogs and find homes for them. It does not list any group that will pick up an injured animal in the Birmingham area.

    Does the TEARS Board of Directors have any plan to reinstate the injured animal pick up service. If yes, when?

    The TEARS Board of Directors recommended that donations be made to the GBHS.

    Does the GBHS plan to start picking up injured animals? If yes, when?

    If no, why is the TEARS Board asking people to make donations to a group that has no intention of providing the service that TEARS provided?

    Someone wrote above that no one is preventing Terra from picking up injured animals.

    How can she find out where they are since the TEARS pager phone number has been disconnected? Where can she take them? How can she pay for vet care?

    ONCE AGAIN, WHO WILL PICK UP INJURED ANIMALS IN THE BIRMINGHAM AREA?

  69. Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 11:15 PM

    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    This blog is open to anyone interested in the TEARS situation. Your comments or information sharing is welcomed.

    You are asked, only, not to threaten anyone or use abusive language.

    Thank you,
    Blog Owner

  70. Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 8:59 PM

    The time for this post has come.

    My name is Victoria Nichols and I am the Founder and Exective Director of Higher Ground – Animal Advocacy. I am, also, the owner / moderator of this blog, which is an outreach extention of Higher Ground – Animal Advocacy.

    Here is the mission of Higher ground – Animal Advocacy:

    “The mission of Higher Ground is to challenge powerholders and the population to redress their relationship with animals.
    Through non-violent social activism and education, Higher Ground works to restore accountability and compassion, thereby creating a more just society for animals.”

    Due to feedback from the community concerning this blog, and more specifically TEARS related information and comments on this blog, there seems to be confusion with regard to my position on the current TEARS matter. (I am not sure why my position matters; however I wish there to be no misunderstanding.)

    I support:
    – the animals, their interests and their preferences
    – organizations that operate with transparency and responsibility
    – people who honor their commitments
    – the truth

    In my opinion, Terra failed the animals. It is also my opinion, that people in positions of responsibility do not have the luxury of blaming others for their failure.

    It takes courage to correct an unacceptable situation; especially one so public and so emotionally-charged involving animals.

    The TEARS situation is at once maddening and profoundly sad. However, if our community takes advantage of this possible watershed moment, it will be the animals that benefit the most.

    Therefore, I support the animals and the people that successfully protect them, not Terra.

    Victoria Nichols
    Higher Ground-Animal Advocacy

  71. Allison Black Cornelius / Jan 17 2010 3:54 PM

    SSAL:

    An individual was threatened. The person has reported to us that they have taken necessary precautions and made approrpiate reports. That is all I know about why the video was taken down.

    In court it was said that all lawyers would get together and have something to Judge Lee by Tuesday.

    This is a public forum, I want to be sure people know Mr. Saxon is not the judge in the case – – lower case “h” or not. Some people may see honorable and think it means “judge”. Just trying to make sure people know who is who – no distortion intended.

    Thank you.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    BlackBOARD Consulting

    • ssal / Jan 17 2010 8:58 PM

      Can anyone anywhere say name a law enforcement agency (or agencies) has been contacted by the threatened individual and what person I can contact at that agency relative to the matter.

      Also, can anyone anywhere say if the threatened person has indicated how the threat occurred (e.g., via telephone?) or who made the threat?

    • ssal / Feb 2 2010 4:15 AM

      It just now occurred to me, Ms. Cornelius, is it possible that “threat” was not a threat of violence, but a threat of a lawsuit?

  72. Allison Black Cornelius / Jan 17 2010 1:10 PM

    SSAL:

    I have agreed to try and answer questions as they arise in order to provide people with information and keep the dialogue productive.

    First, in response to the question about bringing animals to me – I would not accept an animal from Ms. Cotromano or anyone else and take it to TEARS for “appropriate care”.

    The organization has agreed to freeze activities and everyone recognizes that the bank(s) have frozen assets. There appears to be no insurance at the nonprofit corporation/organization’s property and people in the organization have little or no ability to access resources to care for any additional animals.

    Please keep in mind this is a nonprofit organization not an individual residence. The issues of TEARS will be resolved, but until then, other organizations or rescues may be a better choice for individuals rescuing animals.

    Second, in response to taking animals to Ms. Sims who would then transport to TEARS: While I cannot speak officially for Ms. Sims, it would be my thought that she also would not accept an animal from someone and then take it to TEARS. This would seem a fairly logical conclusion since the lady felt so strongly that animals there were being neglected – – that she took the time and effort to put her name to and file a police report in November of 2008. I think we can all agree that this may be a pretty strong indicator that TEARS might not be her shelter/rescue of choice for helping her with a hurt or abandoned animal.

    Third, in response to the Honorable Saxon commenting: While he is certainly a nice and honorable man, the only official Honorable I am aware of in this case is the Honorable Judge Lee. Mr. Saxon is the attorney for the Board. I saw the lawyers agree in court Friday to get together this coming week and work out these issues. After they do, they will release a comment.

    In consideration of animals and all parties involved, it is probably best to give all the lawyers a chance to meet and wait for their response to the above question of “closed” or “not closed”.

    Fourth in response to where animals should be taken: It is clear to me that animal health and well-being is everyone’s primary concern. The animal lovers, shelter experts, and rescue professionals I see communicating, emailing, blogging, and talking at this and other sites appear to be very reasonable and have an excellent, strong network. I am sure they can all find a way to help animals in the interim period that we are faced with at this time.

    While these advocates may disagree on who is right or wrong, they appear to realize that there is a problem, that it is temporary, and that it needs to be worked out and that until the issues are resolved, it would probably be best to take a hurting animal elsewhere.

    And finally in response to the video shot by Danyell Jackson being taken down: A copy was given to the board members. The video was taken down because an individual was threatened. The video is the property of Danyell Jackson. She can post or re-post it if she wishes. Having it up is not worth risking violence. Perhaps she or others will find another way to post or share it if asked.

    Allison Black Cornelius
    BlackBOARD COnsulting

    • ssal / Jan 17 2010 1:59 PM

      Ms. Cornelius —

      Please immediately correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying Ms. Jackson has been threatened with violence? If so, she should IMMEDIATELY go and report it to law enforcement. Has she done so? And has law enforcement taken action?

      Also, she was threatened because of that video?

      Additionally, thank you for providing information that goes beyond the mainstream media reports I’ve seen so far. I, like you, would very much like to see TEARS be saved, and am very glad to see the attorneys are going to sit down and work together. Do you know if they will begin essentially immediately? It is not clear to me TEARS is definitely going to survive. I may further online action aimed at such.

      Also, please note that I wrote “… the honorable Mr. Saxon …”, NOT “… the Honorable Mr. Saxon …” No distortion was intended by you, was it?

      • Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 2:48 PM

        What I heard during the hearing in the courtroom was that the lawyers would have something to the Judge on Tuesday.

        Victoria ~

      • ssal / Jan 17 2010 10:02 PM

        Do you know if there will be any kind of courtroom discussion the public can see, or are they just going to hand in documents?

  73. Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 12:00 PM

    I am wondering…..who, among those that have posted comments on this site, have been to the TEARS property?

    I’ll start the list: I have been to the property.

    Victoria ~

  74. Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 11:43 AM

    Please be aware, there is a valuable tool located on this site available to all rescuers. The tool is the AKC breed rescue database. It is located here: https://kindredspiritus.wordpress.com/breed-rescues/

  75. ssal / Jan 16 2010 9:39 PM

    Ms. Nichols:

    Perhaps the honorable Mr. Saxon can comment on this.

  76. Victoria Nichols / Jan 16 2010 8:06 PM

    ssal :

    Ms. Nichols:

    Is it legally possible for Ms. Cotromano to transfer an animal she has rescued to a (reported) member of the TEARS board of directors or someone else (e.g., Ms. Cornelius, Ms. Sophronia-Sims, yourself, or someone similar who cares greatly about the animals) and in turn that person could transport the animal to TEARS property for appropriate care?

    I am not a lawyer. I can only share my understanding of the situation.

    It is my understanding that the TEARS property is ‘closed’ to in-coming animals.

  77. ssal / Jan 16 2010 6:24 PM

    (This comment repeats a comment I made on the previous page of this discussion.)

    NOTE:

    WHEN I CLICKED ON THE LINKS TO THE THREE VIDEOS RELEASED BY THE TEARS “BOARD OF DIRECTORS”(see B’ham News article above) TODAY, IN EACH CASE THE RESPONSE WAS THAT THE VIDEO HAD BEEN REMOVED BY THE USER.

    1) IS THAT THE CASE? HAVE THE VIDEOS IN FACT BEEN REMOVED BY THE USER?

    2) WHO IS THE USER? THE BIRMINGHAM NEWS? THE “BOARD OF DIRECTORS”? SOMEONE ELSE?

    3) IF THE VIDEOS WERE IN FACT REMOVED, WHY WERE THEY REMOVED?

  78. Victoria Nichols / Jan 16 2010 5:01 PM

    This question was posted in the news section of The Alabama Animal Progressive:
    http://www.alabamaanimalprogressive.com/news.html

    “Who is now rescuing the animals that Terra Cotromano would have been rescuing? (question posed by Linda Bailey). Are there animals that need to be rescued, would have been rescued by her, but now are being left in need?”

    For claification:

    Terra has not been told that she cannot rescue animals.

    She has been told that she cannot present herself as a representative of TEARS, in any manner.

    This means she cannot go out, present herself as a representative of TEARS, rescue animals, and bring them to the TEARS property.

    Victoria ~

    • ssal / Jan 16 2010 6:10 PM

      Good line, Ms. Nichols —

      Where should she take them now?

      • ssal / Jan 16 2010 6:15 PM

        i.e., Will those rescued animals be received at the TEARS property? By whom?

      • Victoria Nichols / Jan 16 2010 6:29 PM

        Any place she would like, other than the TEARS property.

      • ssal / Jan 16 2010 7:43 PM

        Ms. Nichols:

        Is it legally possible for Ms. Cotromano to transfer an animal she has rescued to a (reported) member of the TEARS board of directors or someone else (e.g., Ms. Cornelius, Ms. Sophronia-Sims, yourself, or someone similar who cares greatly about the animals) and in turn that person could transport the animal to TEARS property for appropriate care?

    • Joanne Kennedy / Jan 17 2010 10:34 AM

      SSAL:

      Do you feel like you’re being ignored just alittle here??? Well, at least given the “Royal Runaround!”

      Sorry, I’ve been under the weather for several days & haven’t had energy to even get online, let alone respond to anything or make comments. Some of the things I have read this morning, trying to catch up, make me want to scream. Instead, I am going to calm myself down, then try to respond in a civil manner…difficult as that may be.

      I like your last question, (post #5). I can’t wait to see what Ms Nichols comes up with on that one! Personally, I think that anytime a complaint about an animal comes in, or a report about an injured animal on the road, etc. it will be ignored for the most part. None of those people,(GBHS, BJAC, OR the two self-appointed board members that were voted OUT at the last membership meeting!), want to dirty their hands to go out and rescue a bloody, injured animal and take it to a Veterinaria! I believe most, if not All, of the animals in need will lay where they are and die a slow, painful death. How sad is That!?? IMO, it is sickening!

      Thanks for the posts.

      Joanne

      • Victoria Nichols / Jan 17 2010 11:39 AM

        Ms. Kennedy,
        I have answered post #5 in post #8.
        I have no response to post #9. I think, perhaps, Mr. Spangler compliments this blog too highly, expecting Mr. Saxon to post some reply here.

        I am not trying to give anyone the run-around as you allege. I am sharing the truth of the situation as I know it; based on documentation (some of it shared on this site), conversations with some individuals directly involved, and what I heard in the courtroom on Friday.

      • ssal / Jan 17 2010 8:20 PM

        Ms. Kennedy —

        There is room for more than one or even four or five sites on this matter. If you would like to set up a site of some sort and need some tech support, please contact me through the Alabama Animal Progressive. (See the editors section.)

        Personally, the most important thing I feel like I’m learning here is about the character of some of the posters.

        Looking through “a lot of fog,” I feel I am also learning more about the overall situation.

        If you’re feeling down, just go back and read the comments in the petition for Terra.

        Also, I’m confident you’ll feel a lot better if you can convert your anger into thoughtful, enduring determination to bring out total truth. As many who are much wiser than myself have said,”fight smart, not mad.”

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